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Linubie
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: knodeersatz unter plasma Reply with quote

Hallo

Ich habe immer gerne knode genutzt unter KDE, aber der lässt sich nicht mehr ohne weiteres installieren.
Habt ihr eine Alternative für mich?

Code:
USE="-kontact" emerge knode -av

 * IMPORTANT: 14 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
 * Use eselect news read to view new items.


These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N     ] dev-libs/qjson-0.8.1-r1::gentoo  USE="-debug -doc {-test}" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 0 KiB
[ebuild  NS    ] kde-apps/akonadi-1.13.1_pre20160203-r1:4::gentoo [17.04.3-r1:5::gentoo] USE="mysql sqlite -postgres {-test}" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N     ] kde-apps/kdepimlibs-4.14.10_p20160611:4/4.14::gentoo  USE="-debug -handbook -ldap {-test}" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N    ~] kde-apps/libkpgp-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo  USE="-debug" 8.755 KiB
[ebuild  NS   ~] kde-apps/libkdepim-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo [17.04.3:5::gentoo] USE="-debug" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N    ~] kde-apps/knode-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo  USE="-debug -handbook -kontact" 0 KiB
[blocks B      ] kde-apps/akonadi:4 ("kde-apps/akonadi:4" is blocking kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3-r1)
[blocks B      ] kde-apps/kdepimlibs ("kde-apps/kdepimlibs" is blocking kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3-r1)
[blocks B      ] kde-apps/libkdepim:4 ("kde-apps/libkdepim:4" is blocking kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3)
[blocks B      ] kde-apps/kdepimlibs:4 ("kde-apps/kdepimlibs:4" is blocking kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3, kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3)

Total: 6 packages (4 new, 2 in new slots), Size of downloads: 8.755 KiB
Conflict: 4 blocks (4 unsatisfied)

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * installed at the same time on the same system.

  (kde-apps/libkdepim-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-4.4.2017.04:4 required by (kde-apps/knode-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

  (kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3-r1:5/5::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailimporter-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kontact-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/calendarsupport-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kalarmcal-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/incidenceeditor-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kdepim-apps-libs-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/messagelib-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/eventviews-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kmail-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-search-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/pimcommon-17.04.3-r1:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-notes-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-calendar-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kdepim-runtime-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    kde-apps/akonadi required by @selected
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailcommon-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-contacts-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)

  (kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-calendar-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kdepim-runtime-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailcommon-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/incidenceeditor-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/messagelib-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/libksieve-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kmail-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)

  (kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-search-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailcommon-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/incidenceeditor-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/calendarsupport-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailimporter-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-contacts-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kmail-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/messagelib-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/akonadi-calendar-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kdepim-runtime-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/akonadi-mime-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kmailtransport-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)

  (kde-apps/kdepimlibs-4.14.10_p20160611:4/4.14::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-apps/kdepimlibs-4.4.2017.04:4 required by (kde-apps/knode-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    >=kde-apps/kdepimlibs-4.4.2017.04:4 required by (kde-apps/libkdepim-4.4.2017.04:4/4.4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

  (kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/pimcommon-17.04.3-r1:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailcommon-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/libksieve-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/incidenceeditor-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/calendarsupport-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kontact-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/mailimporter-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/kmail-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/messagelib-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)
    >=kde-apps/libkdepim-17.04.3:5 required by (kde-apps/eventviews-17.04.3:5/5::gentoo, installed)


For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Working/Portage#Blocked_packages


The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
 (see "package.accept_keywords" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by kde-apps/knode-4.4.2017.04::gentoo
# required by knode (argument)
=kde-apps/libkdepim-4.4.2017.04 ~amd64
# required by knode (argument)
=kde-apps/knode-4.4.2017.04 ~amd64
# required by kde-apps/knode-4.4.2017.04::gentoo
# required by knode (argument)
=kde-apps/libkpgp-4.4.2017.04 ~amd64


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

knode wird von upstream nicht mehr auf KDE 5 portiert. Ich habe zwar ein paar Seiten gefunden, auf denen eine Portierung angekündigt wurde - aber das ist wohl im Sande verlaufen... Also wird es wohl auch kein knode Gentoo-Paket für KDE 5 mehr geben.

Alternativen gibt es hier:
- https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Newsreader/
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders#Free.2Fopen_source_software

Ich würde vermutlich Thunderbird probieren, da ich dieses Programm auch für E-Mail verwende...

Es muss fast 20 Jahre her sein, dass ich zum letzten Mal NNTP News gelesen oder gepostet habe... Eigentlich schade, News war ein tolles Medium! Leider wurde es größtenteils durch Websites abgelöst - und bei kleinen Gruppen durch Smartphone Messenger-Dienste...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Du könntest Dir mal net-nntp/pan ansehen. Ist aber GKT und gibt beim starten die Meldung aus:

Code:
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name news.pan.NZB was not provided by any .service files

** (pan:32413): WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap:
        /usr/share/themes/Breeze/gtk-2.0/../assets/line-h.png,
borders don't fit within the image


Alternativ kannst du auch komplett auf claws-mail umsteigen. Dort gibt es zumindest ein breeze-theme
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sdoubleyou wrote:
Du könntest Dir mal net-nntp/pan ansehen
Das ist ein newsreader. Für KDE/Plasma gibt es da Akregator.

KNode ist ein UseNet reader, also etwas völlig anderes.

Newsreader : Verwendet http://foo.org/blah.rdf als Quellen
UseNet Reader: Verwendet UseNet (klar.)

Wie wäre es mit:
Code:
 ~ $ eix -S usenet -S reader -! knode
* net-nntp/tin
     Available versions:  2.0.1-r1 2.2.1 (~)2.3.1 {cancel-locks debug doc +etiquette evil forgery gpg idn ipv6 mime nls sasl socks5 spell unicode}
     Homepage:            http://www.tin.org/
     Description:         A threaded NNTP and spool based UseNet newsreader
Hat den schon einmal jemand ausprobiert?

Edith schaute sich mal um und fand: XPN - Der ist in Python geschrieben, keine Installation nötig. Aber: Das Teil benötigt ein vorhandenes GTK+ Toolkit.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamakuzure wrote:
sdoubleyou wrote:
Du könntest Dir mal net-nntp/pan ansehen
Das ist ein newsreader. Für KDE/Plasma gibt es da Akregator.

KNode ist ein UseNet reader, also etwas völlig anderes.

Newsreader : Verwendet http://foo.org/blah.rdf als Quellen
UseNet Reader: Verwendet UseNet (klar.)


Quote:
Pan is a Usenet newsreader that's good at both text and binaries. It supports offline reading, scoring and killfiles, yEnc, NZB, PGP handling, multiple servers, and secure connections. It's also the only Unix newsreader to get a perfect score on the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval evaluations.
It runs on Linux, BSD systems, Mac OS X, and Windows.

http://pan.rebelbase.com
Dann habe ich das wohl mit pan falsch verstanden, sorry
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay danke für die Tipps,

ich habe nun Pan installiert.

Eine Frage habe ich noch.
Ich kann unter KDE einstellen das GTK-Anwendungen ein gewisses Farbschema nutzen sollen, kann ich da auch Ausnahmen irgendwie festlegen?
Ich frage deshalb weil ich Pan meinem KDE Farbschema angepasst habe, das aber nicht wirklich gut mit Firefox funktioniert, der sollte doch bitte das alte Helle benutzen.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich nutze Claws-Mail als Mail-Client. Das kann auch mit NNTP umgehen.

http://www.claws-mail.org/features.php?section=general

Ist zwar irgendwo schon schade, dass NNTP eigentlich nur noch im Warez-Bereich eine Bedeutung hat. Aber ich hab Newsgroups eigentlich schon Jahre lang nicht mehr genutzt. Ich glaub, die Zeit ist (leider) vorbei.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sdoubleyou wrote:
Quote:
Pan is a Usenet newsreader that's good at both text and binaries. It supports offline reading, scoring and killfiles, yEnc, NZB, PGP handling, multiple servers, and secure connections. It's also the only Unix newsreader to get a perfect score on the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval evaluations.
It runs on Linux, BSD systems, Mac OS X, and Windows.

http://pan.rebelbase.com
Dann habe ich das wohl mit pan falsch verstanden, sorry
:lol: Na, da liegt der Fehler wohl ganz eindeutig auf meiner Seite! ;-)
musv wrote:
Ist zwar irgendwo schon schade, dass NNTP eigentlich nur noch im Warez-Bereich eine Bedeutung hat. Aber ich hab Newsgroups eigentlich schon Jahre lang nicht mehr genutzt. Ich glaub, die Zeit ist (leider) vorbei.
Man muss etwas suchen, um passende gratis news server zu bekommen, aber dann geht, je nach channel, auch ganz gut die Post ab. (Ich verwende freenews.netfront.net) Seit meinem letzten Post (vor 5 Tagen) gab es (z.B.) 11.982 Posts in comp.lang.c++ (okay, das Ding ist noch aktiver denn je, seit comp.lang.c++.moderated tot ist...)
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