Mate 1.10 and systemd

[saellaven]

I have -systemd in my USE flags normally, but even without it, dbus isn't pulling in systemd on my system. Have you synced recently? Have you tried explicitly adding -systemd to USE?

[cwr]

I found the problem with dbus - it was a package.use file I'd overlooked, since
I usually put all USE flags in one file. Emerging mate 1.10 then showed that
totem was pulling in systemd, which was cured by adding USE=-extra to mate.
The final result was a single blocker, shown below: I'll get to that in due
course.

Thanks for all the help - Will

[blocks B ] <x11-libs/gtk+-3.18:3 ("<x11-libs/gtk+-3.18:3" is blocking x11-themes/mate-themes-1.10.5-r180)
Conflict: 1 block (1 unsatisfied)

* Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.

(x11-libs/gtk+-3.16.7:3/3::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
x11-libs/gtk+:3 required by (gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed)
x11-libs/gtk+:3[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,
abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,
abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?] (x11-libs/gtk+:3
[abi_x86_32(-)]) required by (media-libs/libcanberra-0.30-r5:0/0::gentoo,
installed)
>=x11-libs/gtk+-3:3 required by (gnome-extra/zenity-3.16.3:0/0::gentoo,
ebuild scheduled for merge)
>=x11-libs/gtk+-3.5.1:3 required by (x11-misc/xdg-user-dirs-gtk-0.10:0/0::
gentoo, installed)
>=x11-libs/gtk+-3.14:3[X] required by (net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.8.5:4/37::
gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>=x11-libs/gtk+-3.14:3[introspection?] (>=x11-libs/gtk+-3.14:3
[introspection]) required by (net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.8.5:4/37::gentoo,
ebuild scheduled for merge)
>=x11-libs/gtk+-3.0:3 required by (gnome-base/gvfs-1.24.2-r1:0/0::gentoo,
installed)
x11-libs/gtk+:3 required by (app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.15-r1:0/0::gentoo,
installed)
>=x11-libs/gtk+-3.8:3 required by (x11-misc/notification-daemon-3.14.1:0/0::
gentoo, installed)

(x11-themes/mate-themes-1.10.5-r180:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
=x11-themes/mate-themes-1.10*:0 required by (mate-base/mate-1.10.0:0/0::
gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

[Princess Nell]

If you sync your portage tree, you'll find that gtk+-3 has now been updated to 3.8.17, so a world update should fix it. If you don't want to sync, you'll need to unmask one of the 3.18 versions in your current tree, and there are a few dependencies I don't quite remember; I think pango-1.38 is one of them.

[OldTango]

[Leio]

[Amaroq]

Heya. Sorry for reviving a dead (though recent) thread. But this is my first (successful) Gentoo install and I'm trying to install Mate as well.

I may have some insight into why some people are requiring "-gnome" and some people are not. I think it comes down to which system profile you chose when installing Gentoo in the first place.

If you're like me, maybe at first you decided you wanted Gnome on your system. Then you learned the hard way that Gnome requires systemd, and you don't want systemd. So you looked into Mate as an alternative.

Well, if you thought you wanted Gnome at first, you probably chose a system profile that included Gnome when you were installing. I assume this throws "gnome" into the inheritance system that USE flags are derived from.

The people who don't have to use "-gnome" must not have chosen a Gnome profile when they installed Gentoo.

I do require "-gnome" as a USE flag for it to not bring in systemd. And I did pick a Gnome profile during installation. So that's what I suspect the problem is.

However, I'm still having trouble installing Mate. If you guys don't mind me asking for advice here...

As of my most recent change to the USE flags, I've run,

[Leio]

mate[extras] pulls in sys-apps/gnome-disk-utility, which is an utility to partition disks, run SMART tests, etc. It requires libcanberra[gtk3] to do event sounds from a gtk3 based program.
gnome-disk-utility itself already uses gtk3, so enabling USE=gtk3 for libcanberra won't pull in gtk3 or anything, gnome-disk-utility (and probably many others things) already do.

gnome-base/gvfs samba support via USE=samba requires client support from net-fs/samba. So you need to either enable that, or disable samba support from gvfs.
gvfs provides the non-basic filesystem support for GIO (part of glib), so it benefits all things glib/gtk+ that open/save files and don't specifically disable remote support.
gvfs provides Trash virtual filesystem, but more importantly various networked filesystem support, including sftp (ssh), ftp, smb/cifs (via samba) and so on,
so that in your gtk file open/save dialogs, you can directly open/save files from/to the network, edit them "online" via editors, etc.

Not quite sure what the other spam is about, should be clearer after fixing the above.

For your project thing, I would heavily suggest using gtk3, not gtk2.
gtk3.22 later this month will be the last gtk3 and a LTS release, supported for at least 3 years afterwards.
gtk2 has been effectively unmaintained by upstream for a year already...
MATE is also converting over to gtk3 gradually; I believe next release is fully gtk3, but I might be mistaken.

USE=gnome or USE=-gnome shouldn't have any effect towards pulling in systemd or not, so I have no idea why people think it does. If it actually does, that might be a bug we can fix.
_________________
GNOME team lead; GStreamer; MIPS/ARM64

[Amaroq]

I'm not exactly sure what's going on with systemd getting pulled in. If you say it shouldn't make a difference, then you know better than I do.

However, I can confirm it gets pulled in without "-gnome" for me.

I feel embarrassed about this, but I just now figured out what that block of error text at the end wants from me. It wants samba and libcanberra to have a use flag that I didn't specify.

I made a package-specific flag for samba, which eliminated that error.

Removing "extras" from mate still tries to pull in gnome-disk-utility. So I put in "-extras", which fixed that error.

However, I'm still getting a block of errors about stuff being required by stuff.

However, I've switched my profile from default/linux/x86/13.0/gnome to default/linux/x86/13.0/.
About half of the remaining errors are gone now.

So I'm doing,

[Leio]

[Amaroq]

Ooh. I haven't actually started coding the interface yet. I'll look into this. I was under the impression windows and pygtk only gets gtk2. That page is implying windows can get gtk3.

An update: I'm not sure how well it did. I tested "gnome" in the USE flag. It tries to bring in libcanberra, but doesn't seem to be trying to bring in systemd. Consistent with what you said about it being extras that does it.

I'm not sure but I think there's only one thing blocking Mate now. x11-libs/gtk+-3.20:3 is blocking x11-themes/mate-themes.

...So it looks like I could install if I did it without themes.

At the bottom there it looks like a lot of Mate stuff is pulling in gtk3 stuff even though I have -gtk3 in my global use flags still.

EDIT// I kind of don't feel like rebuilding world again so I can just do without themes for now.

Using "-themes" as a temporary flag, Mate is now compiling! //EDIT

[Leio]

[NP-Hardass]

[NP-Hardass]

[Leio]

[alexdu]

gnome, systemd and some others USE flags came from default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome & default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd profiles. Afaik, Mate works with "base" default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop profile.

[cwr]

Footnote to an old thread:

The current Mate 1.18 pulls in systemd unless emerged with -gnome, or -extra.
USE=-gnome seems the easiest approach.

Will