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fpemud
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 Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:44 am Post subject: why so many control-center applications on Linux |
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Every DE has its own control-center, just name a few:
gnome-base/gnome-control-center
cinnamon-base/cinnamon-control-center
xfce4-base/xfce4-settings
unity-base/unity-control-center
kde-base/kcontrol
I don't find any concrete difference between them.
Then why every DE bothers to develop its own version of control-center? I don't think NIH syndrome is the explanation.
Something even more strange to me:
SUSE Linux uses YaST as an additional control center. SUSE users must use YaST and gnome-control-center simultaneously.
I think SUSE should replace gnome-control-center with YaST if they think YaST is better.
Mageia Linux does the same, it has Mageia Control Center as an addition. |
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asturm
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Isn't that like asking why there are so many DEs and WMs in Linux?  |
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franzf
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| genstorm wrote: | | Isn't that like asking why there are so many DEs and WMs in Linux? |
And Distributions!
And every single one uses a different combination of packaging tools, config/fs layout, init system, default DE (Which dictates which Toolkit to use )
The problem with DEs is they want to look "integrated", which means all the applications they offer obey the same style guide. And quite often the DE users are quite - well - bitchy concerning other DEs and the tools they offer. Gnome users often hate Kde, Kde users often hate Gnome, "Lightweight DE X" users hate how non-lightweight are other DEs, and so on |
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Jack Hair
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| When I, for example, run KDE and would have to use the gnome control-panel. Then I'd have to install a whole bunch of extra (gnome) libraries. DE's also use different API's to do things. |
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gerard27
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry.
In the future you'll have 3 choices for your desktop:
Windows,MacOS and RedHat with systemd and Gnome.
Gerard.
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Roman_Gruber
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I wish some config files would work as they used to.
Those guis only revealed only a subset of possible configurations. it used to be for gnome 2 ...
From someone who grew up with MSDOS a config file is the only choice. For those who came after me it has to be a shiny gui with big buttons. => e.g. winzip for windows used to be such a fabolous software in this regard.
Really annoying is that recently xscreensaver locks my screen regardless of my actions. Even those text config files fails sometimes xscreensaver -> i3wm <= fail !
Suse 6.2 was kinda useable. I tried to install Suse half a year ago and half of my notebook hardware on two different types of notebooks were not recognized or worked. Yast is kinda old app but regardless the installer fails and the documentations are poor in my opinion. |
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fpemud
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:19 am Post subject: |
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But I think it's natural to create a general-control-center application, which supports themes, has multiple backends(xfconf, gsettings).
So every DE/distro can use this unified control-center. |
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Jaglover
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Never used a GUI control center, I recommend a universal control center - it is vim for me (maybe nano or emacs or even ed for you). Works every time, controls any application, no restrictions, works in xterm or in console. Simple things should be kept simple. Less headache.
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The Doctor
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:35 am Post subject: |
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It is almost like someone needs to set a standard! 
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trismo
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| Yes the new standard is the new systemd-controld |
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steveL
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| Jaglover wrote: | | Simple things should be kept simple. Less headache. |
++
Though, I do rather like kcontrol, as it seems natural to use a GUI to configure the DE-specific aspects.
And I must admit to a soft spot for Mandrake's *drake suite (eg diskdrake is lovely) which I never even knew was GTK til many years later (was running KDE on it, which ISTR was default for Mandrake.)
But plaintext configs are definitely the best approach overall. |
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