Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats)

SlashBeast · Retired Dev Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2922

lsusb here goes thru /dev/bus/usb and /sys/bus/usb/devices, check if you have anything on given paths.

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

SlashBeast · Retired Dev Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2922

Are you using mine mdev-like-a-boss?

Do you have anything in /sys/bus/usb/devices/?

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

For non-expert readers like me, there was 'man ls', wasn't there?

ls --dereference-command-line /sys/bus/usb/devices/

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

SlashBeast · Retired Dev Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2922

Try to run as root:

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

I'm trying to read those, but, actually list and read.

I don't understand the lines:

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

I really don't know how [ * ] , and, I will complete my script (right there in the
previous post, not in a new one), but I wasn't doing to the system anything
other than trying to list and cat and cd into if dir, in the aforesaid places,
but...

But, all of a sudden, the entire usbfs filesystem is back.

I mean, the lsusb is listing it as usual.

Actually, I did do exactly one thing to the system: I plugged in my JMicron
USB-3 adaptor. It can be seen in the previous post (I'll put the link in a
probably short while here after I post this.

And lsusb listed it, and I was able to mount and use what was attached on it.

I'll try and reboot and see what the booting now looks like
More coming here.

### after a while ###
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The booting is apparently just like the previous one when lsusb found no usbfs,
just, when the adaptor is attached, it recognizes it somewhere early, at around
the time it, say, lists partitions of the in-the-machine HDD.

Revisit, gentle reader:

[ this same topic ]
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7564228.html#7564068

and search for:
sda: sda1 sda2 sda3

I didn't look into the booting in much detail, am a little tired, but I saw it
recognized:

JMicron XXXX , which is the adapter, and attached it as /dev/sdb, and the
partition on it as /dev/sdb1

And the lsusb works now just fine. All works.

It works like shown herre:

[ this same topic ]
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146-start-25.html#7561498
just search for JMicron

Miroslav Rovis
www.CroatiaFidelis.hr

EDIT:
[ * ] I figured out what it seems to be. It's that the USB devices management now works diferently than what I have been used to with *kits and other of those porgrams.

So nothing was really wrong all the time.

When I didn't have any USB device connected to the system,I was used to seeing not that error:

SlashBeast · Retired Dev Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2922

jonathan183 · Guru Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 318

The thread started out as dbus and *kit free systems, *kit free is certainly possible - dbus free depends on other packages you have installed. Your remaining issues appear to be related to choice of device manager and how to configure it ...

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

Dear SlashBeast and jonathan183,

The whole of this post I have been preparing for more than an hour and a half, by the time of wiring these words, and will probably take anothe half hour to finish (the post, I will have more to do in the topic). I am saying that here in this one of one or more proofreads, to draw your attentio how I am trying hard to both satisfy your requests and suggestions, but also point out other things if necessary, apart from thanking both of you for you help, in the first place.

Sometimes on these forums I am compelled to explain to people that I am only three years to sextagenarian age, and that I am somewhat, in some aspects, heavily into computing for only a few years, and that I new zilch on it for the first forty years of my life. And I am also not healthy which effects, above all, my memorizing capabilities. Which means I can't get all the facts together in my mind to ponder on them easily, if they are complex.

So pls. bear with me. If I knew how to present things correctly, I wouldn't wander and go dead ends so often.

[ SKIP THIS PARAGRAPH if in hurry, please! : My lack of easy grasp on complex purely tech matters, does no forbid me to see the big picture of security holes in GNU/Linux, on the basis of, sometimes more than, but often pure belief in statements of people like Spender, whom many people believe not for having completely understood his various programs and expertise, but because he is a proven top expert. If someone would hush me on this basis, that one must then stop believing that the Earth revolves around the Sun, until he personally goes and finds out whether that is true --or not-- for himself -- this remark is if people would want to attack the idea behind this topic, and in the topic's title, based on what I wrote in the two paragraphs above. ]

jonathan183 · Guru Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 318

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

There have been changes, if anybody manages to find this topic [1].

One of the most important ones, it looks to me (non-expert, and no time to reseach, very busy), that the consolekit, the one of the multiseat (that we who care for privacy don't want people to enable on our solely one logged in user intended computers (the huge majority)...

There've been changes, the most important one being that consolekit is deprecated.

I read somewhere how systemd's libsystemd-login0 or something-logind or similar (again, pls somebody correct me, I'm busy, can't find exact names)
is Poettering's euphemism for what consolekit was previosly.

Is it because the "multiseat" was too transparent? And the cabal needs to hide their intentions underneath more common appearances...? You tell me...

Also you can see from the [1] below, that this topic seems to be [you say the word]... See below...

Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
[1] What I saw this morning (Europe), just a few minutes ago when I opened this topic, which I needed in support of some efforts in Debian Forums, was very disturbing to me.

This topic of mine:

Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats)
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992882-view-previous.html

you can see that it is marked previous.

And a completely different and unrelated topic is gotten if "-view-previous" is removed from the string.

Of course I may not technically understand what happened. Of course. Not an expert, but the string "previous" and another topic if that is removed...

I found this by searching this way on ddg.gg
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gentoo.org+miroR+unfacilitate

and the address DuckDuckGo.com gave me was:

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.gentoo.org%2Fviewtopic-t-992882-view-previous.html

EDIT START
Let me just hopefully close this remark by saying that I just grepped and thoroughly checked all my posted as I keep them online, stowed away just around the time of their respective posting, and that I found no string "992882" in any of my posts.
After figuring out the right addresses to use (never temporary ones!) when linking to topics and posts on forums.gentoo.org, I kept very much to it, so those posts on Debian Forums or Gentoo Forums in which I linked to this topic, all contained in their linked address something to the tune of what can be seen in:

How to replace libsystemd-login0's .so library.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=117670&p=555151#p555151

that is, they contained:

viewtopic-t-992146

in the linked address and the extensions as needed, like the id/name or whatever the name of it like ."#7626248" of this topic.
How DuckDuckGo got that string to show this topic, I don't know.
EDIT END

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

A kind advice. If anybody is reading this, and hasn't yet not considered the topic that he is reading this in, they should take a look at it first.

They should read where khayyam, a fine Gentoo Advocate has offered a fine help to me (more difficult to find, kind of buried in lots of pastes from my terminals, so can't point to it, but I remember that I was on the verge abandoning my trasition to Gentoo without dbus and *kits it it weren't for his help, and I thanked him repeatedly for that, and I don't forget that!).

But also he has shown stubbornly to obstinately skip the most important message of this entire topic...

Pls., anyone who jumped here from elsewhere, have a look at that first page before going on:

Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats)
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html

and then, just a few posts later, see where khayyam starts attacking me, without, as already said, ever reading what I wrote:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html#7559822
( in bottom )

He repeatedly accuses me of bringing false arguments in (the "man of straw" -- can be found on page 1 and page 2, at least, in this topic), and upon my straight question, finishes, all the time without reading my message in the first post, to, when he finally answers my reasonable question here:

(same topic as the one linked above)
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146-start-25.html#7560484

with his no-noise, lots-of-signal (oh really?) reply:

Chiitoo · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:54 am Post subject:

steveL · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:53 am Post subject:

khayyam · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:10 pm Post subject:

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

A (kind of) continuation on the issues in this topic, and especially the dbus intrusiveness features prominently, I have recently started at:

Updating and keeping your Gentoo non-poeterized
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1012022.html

Anybody feel free to debunk my line of reasoning there, no I don't mean dismiss a priori or with non-arguments, false arguments or any kind of ploys, but pls. do prove ne wrong, if you can!

Gentree · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:30 am Post subject:

miroR · l33t Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 826

If there was anything constructive, I would reply. I mean I would reply more than this:

Well, fine. Pls. don't read my posts!
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I wonder, as this topic approaches 20,000 (twenty thousand) views, where do people come to it for such relatively huge number of views? Only from forums.gentoo,org? I doubt.

Some pages somewhere got the link to this topic...

But I don't know.

Any admin to tell us the pages that link to this topic?

Thanks in advance, if someone does.

EmaRsk · Apprentice Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 158 Location: Italy