systemd or openrc - which one do you use?

[Gatsby]

OpenRC.. of course.
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[John R. Graham]

[khayyam]

[John R. Graham]

Because it's often more complicated than that. An embedded language would assist, in my opinion, in two different ways:

• The trigger condition establishment today is basically involves manual initialization of entries in a state table. An embedded extension language would make this simpler, more readable, and allow for reasonable defaults.
• The taking action part would be where the extension language would shine. Right now, even simple establishment of names often requires the execution of external helper applications (e.g., /sbin/blkid). Furthermore, the current rules definition language itself is a nightmare. The lack of documentation is really not relevant, but certainly exacerbates the abstruse nature of the current language syntax.

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[stephan-t]

I moved from Systemd to OpenRC, not really like the new way that's like Systemd do. Am not to old but love oldschool thing, maybe someday again will advanture with D.

[depontius]

[steveL]

@jrg: I think you missed my post on previous page? Would be nice to see what kind of thing you actually want.

[mrbassie]

I use openrc. I gave systemd a brief go before I came to Gentoo and a brief go afterwards. It wasn't the huge increase in startup times it was touted to be, networking broke, these odd feeling *ctl commands were a real turnoff. So I didn't try very hard to get it to work either time. What would be the point? It failed at it's main 'selling point', felt very alien to me and so why bother with the hassle?
What do these people love about it so much?

[lexflex]

Running Gentoo now for like ten years on various systems and openrc always works the expected way.

I must admit I never tried systemd myself, but there never was any reason for me to change that.
From what I read I agree with the principle side of the discussion in favour of openrc.
Of course, if the systemd way would/could provide some advantage that could otherwise not be achieved than that might change some minds, but right now that does not seem to be the case for me.

[eccerr0r]

Both.
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[John R. Graham]

Split off the vdev discussion to its own topic: Discussing vdev from Devuan Project.

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[msst]

I am actually also using both systems.

On my Desktop machine Gentoo with OpenRC
On my weak Nettop with Atom processor archlinux with systemd (compiling on that machine is a pain)

And I have to say systemd is ok, but only if someone else does all the configuration and maintenance on it. Every time I have to deal with anything like systemdctl, journalctl etc. I almost puke. This seems to be all programmed to annoy anyone who has to deal with it. So it is only ok whle it runs completely untouched and in the standard way.

So I can understand why systemd is good for a standard binary distro, where you do not want to customize much. For gentoo it would be a disaster.

[bstaletic]

Neither,

Was using systemd with Arch but when I saw the monstrosity systemd will soon become I started to search for an alternative. So i turned to gentoo and openrc, which worked great yet no as fast as systemd on arch. Then compiling has become tiresome, so I returned to arch and spent a few hours trying to set it up using sysv and openrc. Along the way I found an aur package named eudev-systemdcompat. The package provides systemd-217 but only to satisfy dependancies, there's no way to run anything systemd related. That package made the transition pretty smooth. Again a slight decrease in speed caused by swithc to openrc mad me wonder if there's more init systems which would be a reffuge from systemd and provide same performance. That's when I stumbled upon epoch, which is somewhere between the two in every way (not counting systemd's intrusiveness). I wont go into describing epoch.

When I say performance I mean boot speed and starting of services, not overall system performance which can't be affected by just init.

[stephan-t]

[NeddySeagoon]

stephan-t,

[mv]

[The Doctor]

[bstaletic]

I have not tried dash with openrc, butI have tried dash with systemd. There's been no noticable gain and I just realized it's probably because systemd doesn't rely on bash much (if at all). Maybe I'll try again it in a few days.

[Fitzcarraldo]