Avoiding masked packages...

[depontius]

Really avoiding systemd, but I didn't want to start another systemd thread.

I'm having increasing difficulty with the packages I have installed, because there have always been certain Gnome things that I liked. I've got a lot of stuff in /etc/portage/package.mask to keep me pre-systemd, but some number of them are now getting marked for removal. It's time to either create a local overlay so I can hold on to some of those old things or migrate to alternatives. Right now I have some specifics:

1 - gdm - I really like having autologin, remote X access, and I even use XDCMP occasionally. Oh, and I also like shutdown/reboot controls. I'm not sure if any other display manager has all of these things. I did use XDM for a while with a hack I found to add shutdown/reboot buttons, but I had to redo it every time xdm was updated, and I believe I've lost those fixes at this point.

2 - gnucash - I have somewhere in the realm of a decade of home finance in it. But it's dependent on gnome-keyring and libgnome-keyring. Maybe I can let it go to the new version without the systemd camel getting its nose into my system, but these are my top candidates for a local overlay. Or if I have to find an alternative, at the moment I have no idea how to get my data out of gnucash and into something else.

3 - gthumb - It's a nice picture browser, and it doesn't insist on being your be-all end-all photo thingy, with its own editors and database, etc. I'm probably going to need to find an alternative, but would like something equally minimal. I just want a browser, and I want my photos stored in my file hierarchy. If it's got indexing that's OK, but I don't want an opaque photo bucket. I also want to use my choice of photo editors.

Or does someone already have an overlay of systemd avoidance?
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[avx]

Except for maybe kdm, I think there is no real alternative if you really are dependend on the features gdm gives. That said, SLIM is no longer maintained, still works (for now), though and you can use it to shutdown/reboot(no buttons, have to put the command in the username-field and give root's password).

Regarding xdm, what changes are you talking about? Config or actual patches to the code? Maybe it can be automated?

Regarding gthumb, never used it(I think), but what about gqview or it's successor geeqie? What features do you need? As a simple viewer, I also like sxiv and rely in part on the filemanager's thumbnails.

As for avoidance, don't have an overlay, just a package.exclude file, which so far worked pretty well, but then again, I'm not using many GUI apps so that might also be placebo.
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[The Doctor]

[mv]

[The Doctor]

Slim seems to be an odd case. Wikipedia lists it as in active development, but the Arch wiki has been calling it dead for quite some time. The truth is probably in the middle, but the bigger question is how long it can keep doing what it needs to do.

Actually, lxdm might fill some of the void. I haven't used a DM for well over a year so I can't comment on its current state, but it used to work quite nicely.
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Apologies if I take a while to respond. I'm currently working on the dematerialization circuit for my blue box.

[avx]

[mv]

[depontius]

So for current status, I need to look at ristretto, sxiv, and geeqie. Fortunately none of them are Gnome packages, and for the moment they don't seem to drag a lot in, I can just check my own preferences and wife-test them.

I'm not familiar with package.exclude. I'm just thinking that at some point the gnome-keyring and libgnome-keyring that I need for gnucash are going to fall out of mainline portage, and I'd really like to have everything necessary to rebuild my system be available.

I'm not finding good comparisons of the various login managers that cover my needs. I see that sddm is currently masked because of a security problem.

Thinking more about my needs, I don't really need autologin and xdcmp on the same system. The reason for autologin is simply W.A.F. and need only be on her computer. I sometimes use XDCMP for work purposes, and that need only be on my computer. I need remote X and shutdown/reboot buttons everywhere. I have slim installed on a temporary computer, and was surprised to see that not only was no remote X the default, it didn't even have a way to configure for it. Since it was a temporary computer I didn't bother trying to hack it in.

As for XDM, I found some TK stuff that added shutdown/reboot buttons the the main screen. Basically I don't want to have to login just to shutdown or reboot.
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[Roman_Gruber]

i use lxdm to graphically log in ...

[i92guboj]

[WorBlux]

I've build gnome-keyring 3.12.2-r1without pulling in systemd, and when I use the -p option for gnucash, it pulls in a few different libgnome-keyring looks clear as well.

[linux slacker]

I've unmasked gnome-keyring, libgnome-keyring, gcr in order to get gnucash to compile, without getting any systemd stuff in either.

Also unmasked gconf, libcanberra and gcalctool -- also so far so good, as my package.mask file gets a little smaller.
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[depontius]

Life has been pretty busy for the past few weeks. This might be my first regular (not recently) weekly update since posting this thread. This morning/afternoon I modified /etc/portage/package.mask:

[linux slacker]

[mv]

[Ant P.]

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