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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:07 pm    Post subject: SpaceX Successfully Soft Lands 1st Stage Reply with quote

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Yesterday, the company announced that its test of the the Falcon 9′s first stage had been successful. This marks the second time that it has successfully “soft landed” a reusable Falcon 9 stage in the ocean.


Great video of the reentry burn and the landing.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is so cool. Anybody who questions the wisdom of privatization should consider how many billions NASA and other government agencies have simply pissed away because trying to save money is "too hard".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At this point,” the company said in a statement. “we are highly confident of being able to land successfully on a floating launch pad or back at the launch site and refly the rocket with no required refurbishment.”

I was wondering why they would need to land on a floating landing pad, then it came to me that if they were going to return the center core 1st stage of a Falcon Heavy, they would need a floating pad on the ocean because it would be too far down range for a return to the launch site. The feasibility of landing on the pitching deck of some floating pad seems somewhat suspect.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool.

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Anybody who questions the wisdom of privatization should consider how many billions NASA and other government agencies have simply pissed away because trying to save money is "too hard".
The main problem is the propensity for the private sector to act like Congressman with unfettered access to government coffers.

The private sector has no financial gain from doing much more than satellite launching and the next generation of circumnavigating the globe. Except for overcharging the government.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cool.

Bones McCracker wrote:
Anybody who questions the wisdom of privatization should consider how many billions NASA and other government agencies have simply pissed away because trying to save money is "too hard".
The main problem is the propensity for the private sector to act like Congressman with unfettered access to government coffers.

The private sector has no financial gain from doing much more than satellite launching and the next generation of circumnavigating the globe. Except for overcharging the government.

SpaceX is suing the US Air Force to open Military and Intelligence launches to a bidding process. As it stands now, United Launch Alliance is given carte blanche for that service.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single source isn't good, so hopefully SpaceX can demonstrate the ability to handle "secure" launches. Though the requirements could easily be written to exclude them. At least for a while.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suck it, ESA

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the water breached the rocket hull, eliminating the recovery possibility. Despite this, SpaceX insists bla bla bla
:lol: Sounds like a great advertising gimmick. Almost as good as the reusability of the Space Shuttle. Remember those neglected promises? Anyway, here are a few examples of how to land a rocket: Lippisch-Ente, Opel RAK 1, Heinkel He 176, Messerschmitt Me 163, Bolchowitinow BI-1, Yokosuka MXY-7, Mitsubishi J8M, Bachem Ba 349, DFS 346/OKB-2 346 etc. What SpaceX is doing is just stupid.

And what's all that fuzz about privatisation of space transportation? Arianespace is doing that since March 1980. You commies are more than three decades behind.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the water breached the rocket hull, eliminating the recovery possibility. Despite this, SpaceX insists bla bla bla
:lol: Sounds like a great advertising gimmick. Almost as good as the reusability of the Space Shuttle. Remember those neglected promises? Anyway, here are a few examples of how to land a rocket: Lippisch-Ente, Opel RAK 1, Heinkel He 176, Messerschmitt Me 163, Bolchowitinow BI-1, Yokosuka MXY-7, Mitsubishi J8M, Bachem Ba 349, DFS 346/OKB-2 346 etc. What SpaceX is doing is just stupid.

And what's all that fuzz about privatisation of space transportation? Arianespace is doing that since March 1980. You commies are more than three decades behind.

The Opel RAK 1 you are bragging about had a top speed of 150 kilometers per hour. You are such a weak little troll with a huge case of penis envy.

Come back when you have something interesting to add to the conversation.

I think that precludes you from ever returning.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
huge case of penis envy

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It's so bad I'm frequently embarrassed for him/her.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Opel RAK 1 you are bragging about had a top speed of 150 kilometers per hour. You are such a weak little troll with a huge case of penis envy.
:lol: That was almost a century ago. Talk about huge case of penis envy. LOL USA
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was over a century ago the last time Spain mattered or anybody cared about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Spain... :roll: :roll: :roll:
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What SpaceX is doing is just stupid.


Throwing away two-thirds of a vehicle's hardware after every use is smart in your world? :13 yr old girlie eyeroll:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, Spain... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Spain or worse. Since you're afraid to admit where you're really from (Guatemala, Bulgaria, Algeria or whatever), you're from Spain.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wildhorse wrote:
Yes, Spain... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Spain or worse. Since you're afraid to admit where you're really from (Guatemala, Bulgaria, Algeria or whatever), you're from Spain.
Watch it be like..North Dakota.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More likely Pakistan, Libya, Honduras, Eritrea, etc.
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However, the water breached the rocket hull, eliminating the recovery possibility. Despite this, SpaceX insists bla bla bla
:lol: Sounds like a great advertising gimmick. Almost as good as the reusability of the Space Shuttle. Remember those neglected promises? Anyway, here are a few examples of how to land a rocket: Lippisch-Ente, Opel RAK 1, Heinkel He 176, Messerschmitt Me 163, Bolchowitinow BI-1, Yokosuka MXY-7, Mitsubishi J8M, Bachem Ba 349, DFS 346/OKB-2 346 etc. What SpaceX is doing is just stupid.


You only think it's stupid because you are trolling. If Arianespace did the same thing, or the ESA started funding research into a similar system, you'd applaud the effort and talk about how stupid the US is for not doing it the way that these agencies approach it. It's pretty obvious that you are will simply find fault in anything any American company or entity ever does for no other reason than you are a xenophobe that gets off on trolling Americans on the internet. If a US based company or government agency stole or licensed the design rather than inventing it (like many space programs the world over do), you'd claim they were "too stupid to design it themselves" or "typical evil thieving USians". If we did nothing at all, you'd ridicule Americans as being pathetic for not trying. If SpaceX never gets this system nailed down and abandons the design as a sunk-cost, you'll gloat about it being a failure, even if the technologies and lessons learned from the project are later successfully deployed in another system. If it's successful, you'll quietly ignore it and find something else to shit on Americans about. If nothing else you extremely predictable.

Does it make you hate SpaceX any less knowing that Elon Musk spent much more of his life as a South African and Canadian citizen than he did as a US citizen? Or that SpaceX hires from outside of the US. Or is that irrelevant in your quest to troll Old School and Bones?

It's admirable that SpaceX is attempting this as it will represent a large step forward in the reduction of cost associated with space travel once they've worked through the engineering challenges that caused this attempt to fail. It's still R&D for a new technology. New technology doesn't always work perfect, and I'm sure they'll analyze this attempt to make sense of what didn't work out and make adjustments for the next attempt. That's what engineers do when they develop complex new technologies. Personally, I thought it was impressive that they managed to carry out the primary commercial goal of launching the Orbcomm satellites successfully and came damn close to accomplishing the secondary goal of returning the first stage of the rocket with a controlled decent for recovery. It's pretty smart to marry a commercial objective that will bring in capital with a secondary R&D goal that won't risk the the commercial objective. Two birds with one stone and an efficient use of resources.

Also, your list sucks in it's stated goal of demonstrating how to land a rocket... those are a bunch of atmospheric rockets that could never be used on the scale of what SpaceX is attempting. Several of them were never even successfully deployed or used for anything other than an R&D effort. I'm sure the engineers at SpaceX would have been more than happy to replicate the success of these designs by taking queues from them if they were successful or viable solutions. Most human technology incrementally builds on the success of older technologies, after all. I wouldn't surprise me if these were studied and considered when Nasa was conceptualizing the shuttle.

But whatever... troll on, My Little Pony.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His trolling has nothing to do with spacecraft; it's all about the insecurities that torment him, resulting from his inadequacies as a man which came undeniably to light during his time in the U.S.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
His trolling has nothing to do with spacecraft; it's all about the insecurities that torment him, resulting from his inadequacies as a man which came undeniably to light during his time in the U.S.


As she herself pointed out, she denied being Spanish, but didn't deny being a female. So her issues are much worse than that.
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Sounds like it has gender identity issues, among others.
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You only think it's stupid because you are trolling...
First, my little uneducated ratmonkey, you should wipe the foam off your muzzle. It looks disgusting.
Now, SpaceX took the idea of landing a rocket on its engine end from science fictions. There is no practical purpose in landing the first rocket stage on Earth that way. It costs too much fuel, which first has to be lifted all the way up to the final altitude of the rocket stage and thus limits the available load of the primary mission. This is stupid. There are better alternatives, like wings and parachutes. The best solution is to dump the junk, because that is what a rocket stage is after a lift-off. We learned this from the Space Shuttle missions.
The simple truth is that commercial space transportation in the USA is three decades behind its competition in the EU. The landing experiment only serves as a smoke screen to cover up the embarassing truth. SpaceX makes a show for stupid people like you. I have to admit that this is first class piss take. The best part: you have to pay up for it, while I am enjoying the show at no charge. So much about "commercial" à la USA. pjp already loves it (or maybe not).
If ESA would use my tax money to pay Arianespace for such a stupid idea, I would be pissed.
There is puke all over your laptop computer, my little dumbass ratmonkey. Sorry for that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Logic according to mylittlepony would be to throw away the engine, transmission, differential, brakes, suspension and frame of a car after every trip, saving only the front seat and steering wheel. Every airplane should have a service life of one flight. Toss the fuselage and wings. No need to save those engines, what a waste of R&D. Keep the flight crew's seats and build a new plane around them.

And you wonder why nobody here takes you seriously. :lol:
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Why throw all of that away when so much more value can be extracted from the unit as a whole. Employ hundreds of people by constructing and staffing museums for each vehicle.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bones McCracker wrote:
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Yes, Spain... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Spain or worse. Since you're afraid to admit where you're really from (Guatemala, Bulgaria, Algeria or whatever), you're from Spain.

:lol: it does have a complex about it's nationality hence its trying hard to project it onto others.
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