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Do you think they should bring back stage1 and stage 2 install to handbook? |
Yea, I want maximum optimization on my Gentoo install |
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No, I want to keep my "standard, unoptimized base system" on my Gentoo install |
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Wut? |
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depontius Advocate
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 3509
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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I did a Stage1 back in the days when I had a K6-3. It wasn't ricing, or perhaps only mild ricing. At the time I did my Stage1, I could find Stage3 for generic x86 and i686, but the i586 had gone by the wayside. Unfortunately the K6-3 was one or two instructions shy of i686. I believe I later may have reinstalled that machine, doing the "Stage1 on Stage3" trick.
That system is long-gone. It always did have thermal problems - I ended up writing a small throttling daemon to keep its heat production under control. _________________ .sigs waste space and bandwidth |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54237 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Its probably worth noting for our newer readers that the poll option
No, I want to keep my "standard, unoptimized base system" on my Gentoo install
is invalid, as the only way to do that is to never update and Gentoo is not intended to never be updated.
@system packages are updated with the user selected optimisations during the normal update cycle, so you don't keep a "standard, unoptimized base system" on your install. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail. |
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steveL Watchman
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 5153 Location: The Peanut Gallery
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, the poll is fundamentally flawed, as jrg also pointed out. It betrays a complete lack of understanding about what a Gentoo install is, which is fine in and of itself -- we all started off as newbs, but makes the poll useless on these forums. |
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owemeacent n00b
Joined: 06 Apr 2014 Posts: 32
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well sorry guys, I am a n00b, on a Gentoo level though, I could call myself an intermediate in Arch, which I have used before I tried out Gentoo, it's amazing how if an expert in Arch, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, or openSUSE, they are still Gentoo n00bs. |
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warrens Apprentice
Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 239 Location: Don't Tread On Me!
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I get my optimized system my building my own custom stage3 and use that stage3 to install. _________________ The BIGGER the GOVERNMENT, the smaller the citizen.
DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!
My Bias #1
The best government is the government that governs least. |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54237 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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owemeacent,
Gentoo is very different to a binary distro. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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owemeacent n00b
Joined: 06 Apr 2014 Posts: 32
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:32 am Post subject: |
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I know right. It's really hard for a 14 year old to take in all this portage/ebuilds/kernelcompilation in such a short time |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54237 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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owemeacent,
No problem. You are among friends here. The only silly question is the one you never ask.
Be on your guard for incorrect answers though.
Everyone here remembers their first Gentoo boot, so you will get plenty of help without a read the friendly manual.
Well, you may get a reference into the manual to save on typing.
The real key to the manual install is that it teaches how to maintain a Gentoo system, while the install is still expendable.
Its very difficult to mess up Gentoo so badly it needs to be reinstalled though. My first install from 2002 (12 years old now) still works.
Its on its third motherboard/CPU and fourth set of HDD but its never been reinstalled. The box is retired but I power it on now and again to
update it.
To put things into context, consider how long you have been using other operating systems (including Windows) and compare that to the time you
have been using Gentoo.
You will find that you will be just as skilled with Gentoo as you are with the others when you have spent the same amount of time with it. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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LowEndGeek n00b
Joined: 06 Nov 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Redlands, California
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:35 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, I was actually wondering yesterday about the optimization of the system by using stage 3 instead of 1 or 2, glad I see the 'tip' about emerge -e @world which i'll run. Would have been better if I did it straight away though.
Personally i've never done a stage 1 or 2 but i think it may be fun to try at least once. |
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Tractor Girl Apprentice
Joined: 16 May 2013 Posts: 159
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Personally i've never done a stage 1 or 2 but i think it may be fun to try at least once. |
Try LFS, it will be even more fun |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54237 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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LowEndGeek,
emerge -e @world is overkill unless you have made major changes to CFLAGS
emerge -e @system will rebuild all of the stage3 binaries with your CFLAGS. _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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LowEndGeek n00b
Joined: 06 Nov 2013 Posts: 14 Location: Redlands, California
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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NeddySeagoon wrote: | LowEndGeek,
emerge -e @world is overkill unless you have made major changes to CFLAGS
emerge -e @system will rebuild all of the stage3 binaries with your CFLAGS. |
Ahh thanks for the clarification, I don't mess with cflags, just march + use flags and the like (you know things that are more 'safe') so I won't worry then about an emerge -e
@tractor girl
LFS is also in my corsshairs. Thinking about doing it in a vm at some point but next up is slackware (just because i've never installed it) |
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