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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:37 pm    Post subject: Otter browser, inspired by pre-Chrome Opera Reply with quote

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Otter Browser, project aiming to recreate classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will chrome addons work?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankfully, since it isn't Chrome, I'm assuming no.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found that project today and installed it on Arch from AUR.

Since Opera probably won't released for Linux anymore according to this blog, this project seems to be a useful approach to all former Opera addicted users. Otter is still alpha status, but it looks & feels good to use so far.

I've tried Chrome, Chromium and Iron several times but never got warm with it. Firefox is great but can't beat Opera in usabilty aspects. I hope this project will be a success.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Otter is still alpha status, but it looks & feels good to use so far.
Good to hear. Personally I never experienced the "wow" factor that made Opera popular. But I think by the time I really started to use it, it had already become undesirable. I'm mainly just hoping its a decent browser in its own right.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raised from the dead...

There's now also Vivaldi (vivaldi.com), which aims to be like the old Opera.
As a long time Opera user (using it since 2000 or 2001), I never really had that wow! feeling, either. I think I used Opera because I didn't want to use IE any longer and Firefox wasn't on the market, yet. Not sure.

It's also in portage. It's a technical preview so far.
It's using Chromium to render things and wants to be compatible to chrome plugins in the future, so might not be for pjp. It's also not open source - apart from the chromium part.

Haven't tried Otter, yet. So far Vivaldi seems nice, although it's lacking the wow, just like Opera or any other browser does for me. Obviously it's nice for navigating using the keyboard.
Oh yeah, I don't really like that flat design it has.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only real opposition to Chrome/Chromium is that it appears to be a crippled platform. It may only be that no one has yet demonstrated otherwise.

With recent Firefox experiences, I'm again looking for other browsers, so thanks for resurrecting this thread... I'd forgotten about Otter.

And since Vivaldi is from the former Opera co-founder / CEO, maybe it will be decent. Hopefully they help Chromium. What concerns me is how they intend to make money.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
. What concerns me is how they intend to make money.

Yeah, no word on that, or I didn't find it.
Would be interesting to know.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly I don't understand what's the point of the Otter Browser

well, if you like the interface and its resemblance to the former Opera Browser - fine

let's see what direction it takes :)


In my humble opinion at the moment QupZilla productivity- and feature-wise appears much better,

also its e.g. adblock implementation is much better & flexible,

and the integration of the greasemonkey and other plugins appear pretty attractive
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Frankly I don't understand what's the point of the Otter Browser
Personally I think Chrome is awful, and I've not seen a derivative differentiate itself. Firefox keeps making unnecessary GUI and UI changes for the worse. In some ways, IE is a much better browser. So, basically, I'm hoping anything comes along that's decent (and cross-platform win/lin).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody using Opera browser in 2016?

It used to be very good back in the day, I'm not sure why I moved away from it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vivaldi's pretty awful. I'm only using it because it's effectively a chromium-bin when you rip off the fruity plastic UI, and it's hard to compile a decent browser these days for a netbook that can't hold >4 gigs of RAM.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use an old Opera for very limited tasks, but I keep meaning to switch, just haven't. I was never a fan and only started using it around the x-site scripting period and just kept using it for function separation.


Ant P. wrote:
Vivaldi's pretty awful.
How so? I've been using it for a while. And while it still has some rough edges, I wouldn't call it awful.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently opera now provides VPN, content blocker bypassing and many features. I haven't installed it and was wondering if was worth the hype.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, can't say. I tried an early version but didn't care for the "looks like a Chrome, walks like a Chrome" feel. From what I read at the time, it didn't sound like they really wanted to differentiate themselves from a usability standpoint, so I mostly discarded them as an option. If I hear otherwise, I'd reconsider.

But, I'm old school in that I think a browser should be a browser, and a vpn client should be a vpn client. So for me, that's a lot of bloat if it otherwise looks and walks like a Chrome.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vivaldi's pretty awful.
How so? I've been using it for a while. And while it still has some rough edges, I wouldn't call it awful.

I do like that it adds Operaish stuff while being mostly Chromium-compatible underneath, and sparing me a 4-6 hour compile with every minor security patch.

I don't like the *way* it adds its stuff: the entire UI is a bloated, buggy and slow nodejs/angularjs webapp. It has a habit of breaking in embarrassing ways if it's poked too hard. I've measured the startup time on my netbook with and without the custom UI: 22 seconds versus 3. Being top-heavy causes each page load to suffer as well. Basically it's this decade's version of one of those shovelware IE6 frontends from the early 00's.

I tried the new Opera as well; they seem to have made a real effort to integrate things properly, but having a walled-garden addon ecosystem ruins it for me.

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Apparently opera now provides VPN, content blocker bypassing and many features.

Didn't they have that all before too? I think the last version of Original Opera even had a built in webserver...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd imagine that stuff becomes much more apparent on a netbook.

I have noticed startup is a bit slow, but not unbearable. The other issue I've noticed was what seems to me like a delay in loading pages. I was giving both those issues a pass for the time being, hoping they'd be improved as they gave it a bit more polish. Unfortunately, a handful of updates in, I haven't really noticed any performance improvements (or otherwise, really).

I'm not aware of many cross platform alternatives. For the time being, I'm still preferring something which will run on Windows and Linux/BSD, though if I get around to finding compatible hardware, I may not need the Windows compatibility.
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