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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:40 am    Post subject: Anyone familiar with sci-fi author Samuel R. Delany? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've read some stuff and didn't like it? Do you recall what you've read?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not familiar.
I only read one thing... 10 hmm... 15... hmm... a long time ago.
Triton.

OK, I read it translated in French. So the translator may have his part of responsibility in what I would criticize the most :

350 pages with just too many paragraphs mixing pseudo-scientific-pseudo-alibis that do not carry any added value because they could simply have been changed for whatever else pseudo-alibis without changing anything.
These just do not bring anything to the understanding.
As a matter of fact, these just annoyed me a lot, mainly because if you try to understand them, they just appear meaningless.

I'll copy paste one example among many : It's p48 in the French edition, if you can find it in its original version...

"Et grâce à quelque manipulation technologique très complexe qui demande un magnétisme dépolarisé à très haute fréquence, des ondes magnétiques superposées, et une accélération alternée de la polarité et de la parité, nous pouvons arriver à forcer les nucléons — qui ne sont théoriquement que des protons, mais il se trouve qu'il y a également dans ce cas quelques neutrons — dans certains solides cristallins particulièrement denses, agités uniquement de leur propre « tourbillonnement », nous pouvons donc forcer les nucléons à augmenter le diamètre de leurs orbites, qui s'interpénètrent, jusqu'à environ la taille d'un noyau d'atome de rhodium 103 — qui pour diverses raisons est considéré dans ce domaine comme l'unité de mesure — et cela tout en continuant de foncer à une vitesse proche de celle de la lumière..."

Well... I cannot tell what is the English source code for this ... but... honestly... in French : 8O :? pffff :roll: :evil: !

I think that more simply worded arguments or even a single superkalifragilistic word would have fit for purpose and saved me a lot of time.

To sum up with : I did not enjoy and never read anything else from this author.
Being said that this book won a couple of awards in France.
It's highly possible that I am not good audience for enjoying.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. While I'm assuming Google translate isn't a fair judge, if he's using that much "science" in a book of fiction, it probably wouldn't be for me. At least not that one.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
if he's using that much "science" in a book of fiction, it probably wouldn't be for me. At least not that one.

Exactly.
I came on another one (same book) :

"si nous ne parvenons pas à établir une schématisation cohérente d'un problème sur un espace à n coordonnées, une indexation du schéma sur un espace tridimensionnel en une série de matrices représentées par 1, 2, 3... n montre souvent si une meilleure cohérence peut être obtenue sur un espace à n + 1, n + 2, n + 3... n + r coordonnées. Ce qui est très pratique, car pour un schéma donné, vous n'avez plus qu'à prendre le volume qui vous permet de déterminer certains aspects métalogiques de sa traduction que nous pouvons considérer comme une accélération régressive en prenant garde à l'ordre des indices i, j et k des matrices non symétriques"

Well... that's just... too much!

I accept the idea of creating an ambiance.
The way Umberto Eco does is perfectly acceptable.
For example in the "Il nome della rosa", you get the text in your language then, italicized, come some paragraph in latin.
If you like and are clever in latin then you can read and enjoy.
If not, you are free to ignore and continue reading what comes next while keeping into the ambiance without loosing any understanding.

That's not the case in Triton.
You are just forced to read and therefore to understand (conceptually) something (absurd) that is just given for feeling. Something that does not serve anything else than ambiance. :evil:
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I can find anything used, I'd give a few pages a test run.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two are available for free... http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/41419
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