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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Marks & Spencers Muzzie employees refuse pork, alcohol Reply with quote

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London — British retailer Marks & Spencer faced criticism on Monday after it emerged that it allows Muslim staff to refuse to sell customers pork and alcohol.

More than 8,000 people have signed up to a Facebook page calling for a boycott of the chain after an "extremely apologetic" Muslim checkout worker told a customer they would have to wait for another employee to sell them a bottle of champagne.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some muslims don't even handle pork or alcohol. It's M&S' fault because she should have never been on the tills in the first place. If you can't touch certain foods and drinks then working somewhere where you have to touch them is not an option.

On another note, I'm having a halal christmas dinner because we're having muslim friends over with their kids. Lots of things have to be done separately and another christmas pudding had to be made
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On another note, I'm having a halal christmas dinner because we're having muslim friends over with their kids. Lots of things have to be done separately and another christmas pudding had to be made

OMG you're supporting teh terrorists! You should be very ashamed of yourself, young man! And for Christmas too! Why do you hate Christmas? Is it because you're a Euro Commie? </foxnewsmode>

(And yes, Marks&Spencer HR are the ones who messed up here...)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On another note, I'm having a halal christmas dinner because we're having muslim friends over with their kids. Lots of things have to be done separately and another christmas pudding had to be made

OMG you're supporting teh terrorists! You should be very ashamed of yourself, young man! And for Christmas too! Why do you hate Christmas? Is it because you're a Euro Commie? </foxnewsmode>

(And yes, Marks&Spencer HR are the ones who messed up here...)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Islam definitely creates two different types of people, this definitely shows both sides: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXCw9X3vRTs
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.


++, there have been a few cases like this, it's a bit like joining the armed forces and then objecting to having to shoot at somebody on pacifist grounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's a bit like joining the armed forces and then objecting to having to shoot at somebody on pacifist grounds.
I don't mind the conscientious objector status for medical personnel, but much beyond that, and it is foolish. I think that's a good time to put them on point :twisted:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
its a bit of PCism and complete fear of muslims.
I'm not talking about the newspeak "islamaphobia" which really is just a loathing of things islamic OR the fact that for joe-blog on the street you can't really suffer from islamaphobia since that implies an irrational fear (there is certainly something real to fear...)

Muslims too easily turn a tiny grievance into a world vs Islam... EVEN if you look at specifics that kick it off it really is an individual being a fuckwit...
you start having a Muslim turn something into a foo vs Muslims/Islam and there is a fuck-tonne of BS to deal with and thats even before the extremist get involved...

Companies are shit scared, like REALLY shit scared, irrational fear, phobia... (a bit like american companies and sexism cases... we have a couple of expats joined us and they are shocked by what we say and do stating they would be immediately fired in the US)
one tiny thing being interpreted wrongly and can (and has ) ballooned into an international boycott...
We have religious freedom laws in this country and that is a good thing, stops people being persecuted for their beliefs. It however is being used as the fulcrum by radical Muslims as a means to islamify this country.

Tesco's got fucked over for being a dick to some Muslims. They volunteered a prayer room (they did not actually have to provide one ... they expect a certain amount of labour, if someone wants to go into an office and due their dues so be it - someone at work does that around 5pm, goes into a conference room and does his 5min thing...). They were given a dedicated room and then some silly T&C were attached to it and BAM! they fell fowl of religious discrimination. Now supermarkets are scared...

If someone doesn't want todo a certain thing at work AND it wasn't the specific reason they were hired... so be it AS long as the company doesn't have to hire another pair of hands to actually do the same work (not to long until shit like that is needed....). In this instance Muslims do not have to work on the counter, plenty of other places. M&S fucked up by not ensuring a non-Muslim was on the counter. This Muslim fucked up by forcing their beliefs onto other people to propagate their self-entitlement under the guise of religious freedom. Did they actually consume any alcohol if they touch it? do they consume pork if they touch plastic packaging?


as long as I can get my beer and bacon when I want I don't give a fuck but this self-entitlement of wanting to live in a islamic nation without the fucktard laws of an Islamic nation is more and more becoming an issue...
as the moderate muslims just saying extremists or fuckwits like this do not represent islam isn't helping... they need to make this non-representing muslims vs muslims as oppose to world vs muslims...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.


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Exactly.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and complete fear of muslims.
Thanks for the additional insight. Personally, I'd have to press the law on an employee refusing to do the job they agreed to do when hired. As soon as you allow them to control the issue, it is difficult to regain sanity. This is true of many groups in different ways. If you're wheelchair bound, then you can't be expected to get a job which requires reaching above a certain height, given that reasonable accommodations cannot be made to facilitate performing those tasks. Religious freedom is great, but it doesn't mean doing what you want, whenever you want to. If you're required to pray for four hours of an eight hour day, you're unable to do the job, and you're certainly not going to get it (or keep it).

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They were given a dedicated room and then some silly T&C were attached to it and BAM! they fell fowl of religious discrimination. Now supermarkets are scared...
Definitely some bad law makers. The solution is to take away the room and put up a plaque explaining why there will never be any benefit like it again. Well, that and to vote for a political party you probably don't like :D
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
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Exactly.
Bollocks, it's the company's fault. They were well aware of the person's views. She was also extremely polite saying that she could do everything except for the alcohol. No different from someone who was under 18.

It's quite obvious that muslim is the new black to people in the US
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
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Exactly.
Bollocks, it's the company's fault. They were well aware of the person's views. She was also extremely polite saying that she could do everything except for the alcohol. No different from someone who was under 18.

It's quite obvious that muslim is the new black to people in the US


:lol:

Nice troll attempt.
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Butts McCracken wrote:
Muso wrote:
pjp wrote:
PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
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Exactly.
Bollocks, it's the company's fault. They were well aware of the person's views. She was also extremely polite saying that she could do everything except for the alcohol. No different from someone who was under 18.

It's quite obvious that muslim is the new black to people in the US
:lol:

Nice troll attempt.
It's true, any attempt at someone who has differing views is seen as something as something wrong.

Her religion says she can't touch pork or alcohol, how hard is it to put her on clothes? This is a non argument and anyone who thinks otherwise is arguing an agenda instead of a reasonable point
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she can't touch pork or alcohol, the last place she should be working is in an English Super Market.

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If she can't touch pork or alcohol, the last place she should be working is in an English Super Market.

:lol:
They were originally a clothes shop, that is still their major operation
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Muso wrote:
Butts McCracken wrote:
Muso wrote:
pjp wrote:
PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
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Exactly.
Bollocks, it's the company's fault. They were well aware of the person's views. She was also extremely polite saying that she could do everything except for the alcohol. No different from someone who was under 18.

It's quite obvious that muslim is the new black to people in the US
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Nice troll attempt.
It's true, any attempt at someone who has differing views is seen as something as something wrong.

Her religion says she can't touch pork or alcohol, how hard is it to put her on clothes? This is a non argument and anyone who thinks otherwise is arguing an agenda instead of a reasonable point

Actually her religion does not state that. There are about 4-5passages in the Quran that can be interpreted to be associated with alcohol ( "strong drink" to be precise). It is these passages in conjunction with each other that results in the interpretation that muslims should not consume alcohol.
No where does it actually state they cannot touch alcohol. There is some other associated verses that stipulate a muslim should not enable others to commit sin. VALID only if the other person is muslim... this is basically projection of religious subjugation onto others that do not want it.

Now if her religion prohibits touching of alcohol then it is not a recognised religion within the UK borders and thus does not have to be pandered to outside of usual human rights
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She might want to work in a Burqa shop, in say... Saudi Arabia.
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Naib wrote:
Butts McCracken wrote:
Muso wrote:
Butts McCracken wrote:
Muso wrote:
pjp wrote:
PCism for the fail. Do your job or you're fired.
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Exactly.
Bollocks, it's the company's fault. They were well aware of the person's views. She was also extremely polite saying that she could do everything except for the alcohol. No different from someone who was under 18.

It's quite obvious that muslim is the new black to people in the US
:lol:

Nice troll attempt.
It's true, any attempt at someone who has differing views is seen as something as something wrong.

Her religion says she can't touch pork or alcohol, how hard is it to put her on clothes? This is a non argument and anyone who thinks otherwise is arguing an agenda instead of a reasonable point

Actually her religion does not state that. There are about 4-5passages in the Quran that can be interpreted to be associated with alcohol ( "strong drink" to be precise). It is these passages in conjunction with each other that results in the interpretation that muslims should not consume alcohol.
No where does it actually state they cannot touch alcohol. There is some other associated verses that stipulate a muslim should not enable others to commit sin. VALID only if the other person is muslim... this is basically projection of religious subjugation onto others that do not want it.

Now if her religion prohibits touching of alcohol then it is not a recognised religion within the UK borders and thus does not have to be pandered to outside of usual human rights
Us arguing about passages means nothing if there is 50 million who believe it is one way
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She might want to work in a Burqa shop, in say... Saudi Arabia.
Basically exactly what was said in this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXCw9X3vRTs
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Simple solution. Get a different job.
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Simple solution. Get a different job.
except a core mantra of islam is the further the cause of islam. That means *IF* others (corporations or induviduals) have to shape themselves around islamic needs then that is furthering teh cause of islam.

tl;dr it is part of their role as a good muslim to make everyones life hell
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With assistance like cokehabit, it doesn't require many.
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At present they make up about 5% of the population. When they make up about 35% then we will have a problem.

Actually we wont have a problem because brits have a history of dealing with problems very quickly and silently
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Simple solution. Get a different job.


Men. If the employer is OK with this there isn't anything to be done. But if the employer wants they should be allowed to say sell it or leave. Condoms and Catholics too.

The employer may be happy with this arrangement. They may want to appear Muslim friendly or they may find Muslims accept lower wages so this suits them. I find Muslims and Catholics weird about some of these things. Do Muslims really think that no one should eat pork? Isn't it a bit like a Sikh refusing to sell scissors?
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But if the employer wants they should be allowed to say sell it or leave.
That's the issue, which based on Naib's info, seems to be in doubt.
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