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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: another Boeing just went down Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyNX6t19ND8
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SFpr_6LfC8
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there was this airbus incident a couple of weeks ago

http://www.theaviationwriter.com/2013/06/video-watch-dramatic-engine-failure-on.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it did not crash land and go up in flames, endangering countless cute korean girls!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is true, but it didn't get completely lost without any hope of even trying to rescue anyone, like the airbus A330 from Brazil to Paris in 2009 that crashed into the ocean (I have read the official report, its quite... interesting why it occurred)

Total incidence
Airbus A300 30 accident(s)
Airbus A310 8 accident(s)
Airbus A320 19 accident(s)
Airbus A321 2 accident(s)
Airbus A330 6 accident(s)
Airbus A340 4 accident(s)
ATR 42/72 30 accident(s)
Boeing 737 134 accident(s)
Boeing 737 Next Gen 11 accident(s)
Boeing 747 45 accident(s)
Boeing 757 8 accident(s)
Boeing 767 12 accident(s)
Boeing 777 2 accident(s)
BAe 146 / Avro RJ 11 accident(s)
Beech 1900D 1 accident(s)
Canadair Regional Jet 9 accident(s)
McDonnell Douglas DC-10 19 accident(s)
Dash 8 4 accident(s)
Embraer 120 Brasilia 2 accident(s)
Embraer 135/145 6 accident(s)
Embraer 190/195 2 accident(s)
Fokker 70/100 6 accident(s)
Fokker 50 1 accident(s)
Lockheed L-1011 TriStar 6 accident(s)
McDonnell Douglas MD-11 8 accident(s)
McDonnell Douglas MD-80/90 22 accident(s)
Concorde 1 accident(s)
Sukhoi SuperJet 100 1 accident(s)


total fatalities


Airbus A300 1434 Fatalities
Airbus A310 700 Fatalities
Airbus A320 636 Fatalities
Airbus A321 152 Fatalities
Airbus A330 338 Fatalities
ATR 42/72 367 Fatalities
Boeing 737 4136 Fatalities
Boeing 737 Next Gen 527 Fatalities
Boeing 747 3702 Fatalities
Boeing 757 572 Fatalities
Boeing 767 851 Fatalities
BAe 146 / Avro RJ 227 Fatalities
Beech 1900D 19 Fatalities
Canadair Regional Jet 141 Fatalities
McDonnell Douglas DC-10 509 Fatalities
Dash 8 77 Fatalities
Embraer 120 Brasilia 32 Fatalities
Embraer 135/145 22 Fatalities
Embraer 190/195 42 Fatalities
Fokker 70/100 178 Fatalities
Lockheed L-1011 TriStar 233 Fatalities
McDonnell Douglas MD-11 237 Fatalities
McDonnell Douglas MD-80/90 1150 Fatalities
Concorde 109 Fatalities
Sukhoi SuperJet 100 45 Fatalities


Factor in how long the 737 and 747 have been flying and the total airmiles...
Also this is the 1st major incident this year. 2012 had 7 (no airbus, one Boeing, 127 dead)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just saw some pictures: no tail section, cabin roof burned away in the forward half of the plane. An escape chute is deployed and at least some people got off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23214513
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After noting that it went up in flames after touching down, I theorized that it landed on a runway coming over the water. Yup, I was right. I think I might know what happened here, and those who frequently fly into SFO might know as well...

In 1999 my dad and I were coming in on a 767 with a similar approach. The instant we cleared the bay and were over solid ground, the plane sank and slammed into the runway. The shocks immediately bottomed out and some of the overhead bins came open.

The story indicates that the tail of the plane crashed into the runway. This may have been from the pilot's sudden attempt to pull up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean pilot, 'nuff said.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think this was pilot error. Like I said, something similar happened on my United flight.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is prob down to localised disturbance in the air from the cooler water and the warmer tarmac, can really fuck with the leading edge if you don't have enough slat & flap
was it a particularly hot day?

OR just pilot error, it happens
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
After noting that it went up in flames after touching down
Which energyman76b "conveniently" didn't mention (due to his envious nature). Sounds like pilot error or just the scenario you described. At least until more is known.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
it did not crash land and go up in flames, endangering countless cute korean girls!


Funny... but, you're much more likely to die on an Airbus A330 than a Boeing 777, which are very comparable aircraft:

Since 1993, 984 A330's have been delivered, and they have been involved in 13 major aviation occurrences with 338, non-hijacking, related deaths (1 hijacking related).

Since 1995, 1105 777's have been delivered and they have been involved in 8 major aviation occurrences with this accident marking the first resulting in deaths (the last, and only previous 777 related death was a refueling accident where a ground worker was fatally burned.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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energyman76b wrote:
it did not crash land and go up in flames, endangering countless cute korean girls!


Funny... but, you're much more likely to die on an Airbus A330 than a Boeing 777, which are very comparable aircraft:

Since 1993, 984 A330's have been delivered, and they have been involved in 13 major aviation occurrences with 338, non-hijacking, related deaths (1 hijacking related).

Since 1995, 1105 777's have been delivered and they have been involved in 8 major aviation occurrences with this accident marking the first resulting in deaths (the last, and only previous 777 related death was a refueling accident where a ground worker was fatally burned.)


Well one fatality w.r.t. 777 & groundcrew can't really be put downto 777 specific anyway.

As to A330 deaths:
12/05/2010, 103 dead, PILOT ERROR http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20100512-0
01/06/2009, 228 dead, unrecorded effect on air measurment & compounded by poor pilot judgment http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20090601-0
30/06/1994, 7 dead, Aircrew ERROR http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940630-0





And a constant trend over the last 60 years is the vast number of fatal crashes is downto pilot error hovering in at around 50%.
again almost constant over the same 60years is mechanical failure (~22%) and weather (~12%)

each year the requirements by the FAA and the CAA to sign off on an aircraft get harsher and harsher, if the 747 was to be recert today against today standards it would not pass.

Last year no Airbus's were involved in any fatalities while there was a B737 (127dead)
The year before quite a few boeing incidence (with 14deaths) and a few Airbus (0deaths)
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96 was a bad year, 230 died on a B747, description? In flight explosion of the centre wing fuel tank
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19960717-0


simply put once a plane is independently certified to be airworthy that design has been through alot of tests it then comes downto pilot error (which most of the time it is) or design where it is either just a probability game OR a fundamental design issue. One could say the A330 accident was a "Fundamental design issue" with the air sensors BUT it was a weather effect that had not been fully understood. Both Boeing and Airbus (and the rest) learnt from this. Equally poor pilot reaction compounded the situation.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but airliners are phallus shaped, and therefore lend themselves well to the kind of dick measuring contests that insecure, guilt-ridden Germans crave.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buzz going around now is that the plane clipped a sea wall on approach.

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Korean pilot, 'nuff said.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that is true, but it didn't get completely lost without any hope of even trying to rescue anyone, like the airbus A330 from Brazil to Paris in 2009 that crashed into the ocean (I have read the official report, its quite... interesting why it occurred)

Because the co-pilot kept the stick back for minutes as the plane stalled and plummeted from cruising altitude into the ocean?

Perhaps you can blame Airbus for not somehow indicating that to the pilot, but it was still pilot error.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, but airliners are phallus shaped, and therefore lend themselves well to the kind of dick measuring contests that insecure, guilt-ridden Germans crave.


how many cute korean girls have been endangered by an Airbus? And how many were endangered/injured/killed yesterday?

Stop thinking about 'fatalities' and 'ratios'! It's all about kute korean kirls.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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that is true, but it didn't get completely lost without any hope of even trying to rescue anyone, like the airbus A330 from Brazil to Paris in 2009 that crashed into the ocean (I have read the official report, its quite... interesting why it occurred)

Because the co-pilot kept the stick back for minutes as the plane stalled and plummeted from cruising altitude into the ocean?

Perhaps you can blame Airbus for not somehow indicating that to the pilot, but it was still pilot error.


I wasn't blaming Airbus, this was pilot error. All deaths involving an a330 were down to pilot error (see later post that covers that particular part a bit more) this particular case just had an addition unforseen weather complication
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pilot error was flying an Airbus.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boeing 777 Records First Fatalities in Its 18 Year History


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The Boeing 777, considered one of safest aircrafts in the sky, recorded the first fatalities since it was launched 18 years ago when the Asiana Airlines crashed at San Francisco Airport today.

"The triple-7 is one of the safest airplanes in use, it's been a marvelous bird," ABC News' aviation analyst John Nance told ABC News Radio. "These airplanes are over the water, over the ocean all the time and Asiana has been running them many years very successfully."


So, again. Korean pilot error.
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You can build planes, space aircraft and cars that constantly turn left so why can't you build cars that can go round corners?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can build planes, space aircraft and cars that constantly turn left so why can't you build cars that can go round corners?


You mean the USA? We do. They are sold under the Honda & Toyota brands.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clearly a terrorist plot.

for security reasons, the federal government will now require measurements of the depth of your anus before you fly.
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You can build planes, space aircraft and cars that constantly turn left so why can't you build cars that can go round corners?


You mean the USA? We do. They are sold under the Honda & Toyota brands.
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clearly a terrorist plot.

for security reasons, the federal government will now require measurements of the depth of your anus before you fly.
will they sack a few more people?
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