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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: i did not know there was an Enoch Reply with quote

or that Backtrack is based on Knoppix::
http://futurist.se/gldt/
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I don't understand is what's the purpose of backtrack, scientific linux etc...

what is the difference between backtrack and gentoo with all the pentest/security tools installed? I mean it's not that hard to type emerge -a nmap, is it? :)

why is there an extra pentest distribution?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:
What I don't understand is what's the purpose of backtrack, scientific linux etc...
Unless what I read was incorrect, Scientific Linux started because CentOS updates were too slow. The maintainer(s) weren't really collaborating well. More recently, CentOS has sped up the process / activity.

LoTeK wrote:
what is the difference between backtrack and gentoo with all the pentest/security tools installed? I mean it's not that hard to type emerge -a nmap, is it? :)

why is there an extra pentest distribution?
Why isn't everyone using LFS, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: i did not know there was an Enoch Reply with quote

e3k wrote:
or that Backtrack is based on Knoppix::
http://futurist.se/gldt/


That aside, what is that plant you're using as an avatar?
Looks like some sort of nightshade to me, but it's too small to really recognize it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why isn't everyone using LFS, etc.

hehe, lets not start a "assembly, LFS vs high level, comfort" discussion again :)

my current understanding:

there are physicists that are working at CERN. Their main interest lies in particle physics and they have a huge amount of data and need some computers and some tools. Therefore you have scientific linux. Scientific linux has everything a CERN physicist, that don't want to invest time in linux, needs. Likewise with backtrack and pentest people (although they are maybe more interested in linux or OS in general ?! ).

So my question is if those distributions have something I couldn't have with for example gentoo and all those tools or do they just exist for convenience (in a non-disrespecting sense)?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LoTeK wrote:
hehe, lets not start a "assembly, LFS vs high level, comfort" discussion again :)

LoTeK wrote:
Scientific linux has everything a CERN physicist, that don't want to invest time in linux, needs.

LoTeK wrote:
do they just exist for convenience (in a non-disrespecting sense)?
That's exactly what the discussion is: convenience.

If that were the reason for Scientific Linux, it would be a poor decision. They would "save" more time by supporting only the packages they needed for an existing distro, especially since SL is based on RHEL, just like CentOS. If SL weren't RHEL based, then that might be a reason.

As for the security / pentest / etc. type distros, having it finished from the start can be easier than having to go through figuring out what is needed. Put another way, if you can't see a use for it, then you weren't the intended audience. I was that way with laptops until I had a "need".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, like me with girls when I was 11. Then a couple years later, boy did I have a "need".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, like me with girls when I was 11. Then a couple years later, boy did I have a "need".

Your penis emerged?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I needed my shirts ironed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: i did not know there was an Enoch Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
e3k wrote:
or that Backtrack is based on Knoppix::
http://futurist.se/gldt/


That aside, what is that plant you're using as an avatar?
Looks like some sort of nightshade to me, but it's too small to really recognize it.

in good old times beer was brewn with Hyoscyamus niger instead of Humulus lupulus
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes. So, it is a nightshade.
Are you from Plzeň? The German article on Hyoscyamus niger says that the name of the city stems from "Bilsenkraut (H. niger)" and thus the "Pilsner" beer is named after the city and the custom to use this plant for brewing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
Ah, yes. So, it is a nightshade.
Are you from Plzeň? The German article on Hyoscyamus niger says that the name of the city stems from "Bilsenkraut (H. niger)" and thus the "Pilsner" beer is named after the city and the custom to use this plant for brewing.
no i am from Bratislava, i just red that somewhere and as i am interested in beer and use of old plants i remembered.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: i did not know there was an Enoch Reply with quote

e3k wrote:
Clad in Sky wrote:
e3k wrote:
or that Backtrack is based on Knoppix::
http://futurist.se/gldt/


That aside, what is that plant you're using as an avatar?
Looks like some sort of nightshade to me, but it's too small to really recognize it.

in good old times beer was brewn with Hyoscyamus niger instead of Humulus lupulus


...and killed so many people it was banned.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: i did not know there was an Enoch Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
e3k wrote:
Clad in Sky wrote:
e3k wrote:
or that Backtrack is based on Knoppix::
http://futurist.se/gldt/


That aside, what is that plant you're using as an avatar?
Looks like some sort of nightshade to me, but it's too small to really recognize it.

in good old times beer was brewn with Hyoscyamus niger instead of Humulus lupulus


...and killed so many people it was banned.

yes nightshades are tricky. tobacco can kill you in relatively small dosage if you are not used to it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: i did not know there was an Enoch Reply with quote

e3k wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
e3k wrote:
Clad in Sky wrote:
e3k wrote:
or that Backtrack is based on Knoppix::
http://futurist.se/gldt/


That aside, what is that plant you're using as an avatar?
Looks like some sort of nightshade to me, but it's too small to really recognize it.

in good old times beer was brewn with Hyoscyamus niger instead of Humulus lupulus


...and killed so many people it was banned.

yes nightshades are tricky. tobacco can kill you in relatively small dosage if you are not used to it.


you have to eat two cigars VERY quickly. Or a packet of cigarettes. Not really feasible. But even if you are used to hyoscyamus niger a very small amount can kill you.

And while nicotine has some benefits (like making you feel good), HN has zilch.
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