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Carnildo
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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: Emerge wants to switch me to static /dev |
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I've got a headless server running Gentoo that I went to upgrade today. Since udev-197 appears to be a high-risk update, I decided to mask it for a month or two while things settle down. If I mask ">=sys-fs/udev-197", I get the following when updating:
| Code: | # emerge --pretend --deep --verbose --update --newuse --with-bdeps=y world
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
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[ebuild N ] sys-apps/makedev-3.23.1 USE="-build (-selinux)" 120 kB
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[ebuild N ] sys-fs/static-dev-0.1 0 kB
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I can't see anything preventing the system from upgrading to sys-fs/udev-171-r10 (an "emerge --ask '=sys-fs/udev-171-r10' doesn't complain about masked, keyworded, or blocking packages). If I eliminate the package.mask entry for udev entirely, emerge wants to upgrade me to udev-197. Any ideas? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Mask sys-fs/static-dev and check what happens next. You already know you do not want it, so why not mask it and force Portage to suggest some other option? |
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Carnildo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Hu wrote: | | Mask sys-fs/static-dev and check what happens next. You already know you do not want it, so why not mask it and force Portage to suggest some other option? |
It's now suggesting I rebuild sys-apps/busybox with the "mdev" use-flag enabled. Masking that in turn gives:
| Code: | * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
(sys-apps/kmod-12-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/kmod-12 required by (sys-fs/udev-197-r4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
(sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.2 required by (virtual/modutils-0::gentoo, installed)
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked
The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 ~x86
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 |
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DaggyStyle
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Carnildo wrote: | | Hu wrote: | | Mask sys-fs/static-dev and check what happens next. You already know you do not want it, so why not mask it and force Portage to suggest some other option? |
It's now suggesting I rebuild sys-apps/busybox with the "mdev" use-flag enabled. Masking that in turn gives:
| Code: | * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
(sys-apps/kmod-12-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/kmod-12 required by (sys-fs/udev-197-r4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
(sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.2 required by (virtual/modutils-0::gentoo, installed)
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked
The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 ~x86
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 |
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read the output, mask sys-fs/udev-init-scripts and >=sys-apps/kmod-kmod-12
this should prevert udev from upgrading and should suppress the other errors.
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Carnildo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| DaggyStyle wrote: | | Carnildo wrote: | | Hu wrote: | | Mask sys-fs/static-dev and check what happens next. You already know you do not want it, so why not mask it and force Portage to suggest some other option? |
It's now suggesting I rebuild sys-apps/busybox with the "mdev" use-flag enabled. Masking that in turn gives:
| Code: | * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
(sys-apps/kmod-12-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/kmod-12 required by (sys-fs/udev-197-r4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
(sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.2 required by (virtual/modutils-0::gentoo, installed)
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked
The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 ~x86
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-19-r1
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 |
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read the output, mask sys-fs/udev-init-scripts and >=sys-apps/kmod-kmod-12
this should prevert udev from upgrading and should suppress the other errors. |
Did that, after fixing the obvious error in the kmod mask. New output:
| Code: | * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
* installed at the same time on the same system.
(sys-apps/kmod-12-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/kmod-12 required by (sys-fs/udev-197-r4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
(sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.16-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>=sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.2 required by (virtual/modutils-0::gentoo, installed)
For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked
The following keyword changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4 ~x86
#required by sys-fs/udev-197-r4[openrc], required by virtual/udev-197, required by virtual/dev-manager-0, required by sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.5.7, required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
=sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22 ~x86
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-fs/udev-197-r4[kmod], required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=sys-apps/kmod-12-r1
#required by virtual/udev-197, required by sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=sys-fs/udev-197-r4
#required by sys-fs/udev-197-r4[openrc], required by virtual/udev-197, required by virtual/dev-manager-0, required by sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.5.7, required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
=sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22 |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Static /dev sounds like a feasible solution for a headless server, what's wrong with that?
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Carnildo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaglover wrote: | | Static /dev sounds like a feasible solution for a headless server, what's wrong with that? |
It presumably requires a reboot, and like the udev-197 upgrade, carries a risk of the server not working after the reboot. Otherwise, I would -- I'm getting sick of fighting with udev. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Think clear now.
You do have device nodes for your devices. Created by udev. What stops you from keeping these nodes while removing udev? No reboot needed.
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Carnildo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaglover wrote: | Think clear now.
You do have device nodes for your devices. Created by udev. What stops you from keeping these nodes while removing udev? No reboot needed. |
And what happens to those nodes when I reboot? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I don't know! Isn't this what sys-fs/static-dev is for? But I remember static dev ages, all nodes just were there. I'm sure with some precaution it is achievable. Also see https://bugs.gentoo.org/107875
If I was you I'd try it out on a test box.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:35 am Post subject: |
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are you sure you've masked udev-197?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:51 am Post subject: |
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add the -t flag to the emerge pretend and see what is trying to pull in what
It sounds like some dependency is needing either udev >= 197 or static dev
Find out what it is.
I've had to mask several newer packages to keep them from complaining about udev 197 being masked.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I moved to the new udev, and had a few problems, but I've gotten through them. Are you working harder to avoid the new udev than you would have to do adapt?
That said, I have not taken on the new network names. I think that change is going to get rolled back, right after Linus has a non-functional boot, and rips the udev developers a new one for breaking his system.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| depontius wrote: | | That said, I have not taken on the new network names. I think that change is going to get rolled back, right after Linus has a non-functional boot, and rips the udev developers a new one for breaking his system. |
LoL
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| DaggyStyle wrote: | | are you sure you've masked udev-197? |
| Code: | $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask
>=sys-fs/udev-190
sys-fs/udev-init-scripts
sys-apps/kmod
sys-fs/static-dev
sys-apps/busybox |
| Anon-E-moose wrote: | add the -t flag to the emerge pretend and see what is trying to pull in what
It sounds like some dependency is needing either udev >= 197 or static dev
Find out what it is. |
If the emerge output is to be believed, the offending package is GCC 4.6.3, which makes no sense whatsoever:
| Code: | [nomerge ] virtual/ssh-0 USE="-minimal"[ebuild R ] net-misc/openssh-5.9_p1-r4 USE="hpn pam tcpd -X -X509 -bindist% -kerberos -ldap -libed
it (-selinux) -skey -static" 0 kB
[ebuild NS ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.5.7:3.5.7 [2.6.32-r7:2.6.32-r7, 2.6.39-r3:2.6.39-r3, 3.0.6:3.0.6] USE="-build -deblob -symlink" 79,348 kB
[ebuild NS ] sys-devel/gcc-4.6.3:4.6 [4.4.5:4.4, 4.5.4:4.5] USE="cxx mudflap nls nptl openmp (-altivec) -doc (-fixed-point) -fortran -gcj -graphite -gtk (-hardened) (-libssp) (-multilib) -multislot -nopie -nossp -objc -objc++ -objc-gc {-test} -vanilla" 70,352 kB
[nomerge ] sys-fs/udev-197-r4 [171-r9] USE="acl%* kmod%* openrc%* -doc% -gudev -hwdb -introspection -keymap (-selinux) -static-libs% (-action_modeswitch%) (-build%) (-debug%) (-edd%) (-extras%) (-floppy%) (-rule_generator%*) (-test%)"
[ebuild N #] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22 USE="-build" 5 kB
[ebuild U ] virtual/udev-197 [171] USE="kmod%* -gudev -hwdb -introspection -keymap (-selinux) -static-libs (-acl%*)" 0 kB
[ebuild U #] sys-fs/udev-197-r4 [171-r9] USE="acl%* kmod%* openrc%* -doc% -gudev -hwdb -introspection -keymap (-selinux) -static-libs% (-action_modeswitch%) (-build%) (-debug%) (-edd%) (-extras%) (-floppy%) (-rule_generator%*) (-test%)" 2,008 kB
[ebuild N #] sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 USE="tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma -static-libs" 1,246 kB
[nomerge ] app-admin/syslog-ng-3.2.5 USE="ipv6 pcre ssl tcpd -caps -hardened (-selinux) -spoof-source -sql"
[ebuild R ] dev-libs/glib-2.32.4-r1:2 USE="-debug (-fam) (-selinux) -static-libs -systemtap {-test} -utils -xattr (-doc%)" 0 kB
[nomerge ] sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 USE="tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma -static-libs"
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.28 USE="-crypt -debug -python -static-libs" 3,356 kB
[nomerge ] app-editors/vim-7.3.409 USE="acl nls -X -cscope -debug -gpm -minimal -perl -python -ruby -vim-pager"
[nomerge ] app-editors/vim-core-7.3.409 USE="acl nls -livecd"
[ebuild R ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r2:5 USE="cxx unicode -ada -debug -doc -gpm -minimal -profile -static-libs -tinfo% -trace" 0 kB
[nomerge ] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22 USE="-build"
[nomerge ] sys-apps/openrc-0.11.8 USE="ncurses pam unicode -debug -newnet (-prefix) (-selinux) -static-libs"
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.15-r3:2.2 [2.13-r4:2.2] USE="-debug -gd (-hardened) (-multilib) -profile (-selinux) -vanilla (-glibc-omitfp%) (-nls%*)" 10,568 kB |
| depontius wrote: | | I moved to the new udev, and had a few problems, but I've gotten through them. Are you working harder to avoid the new udev than you would have to do adapt? |
If I upgrade udev and something breaks, getting console access to this server requires two people and takes half an hour. Avoiding an extended wrestling match with a shelf full of computers is worth some effort. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Code: | [ebuild N #] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-22 USE="-build" 5 kB
[ebuild U ] virtual/udev-197 [171] USE="kmod%* -gudev -hwdb -introspection -keymap (-selinux) -static-libs (-acl%*)" 0 kB
[ebuild U #] sys-fs/udev-197-r4 [171-r9] USE="acl%* kmod%* openrc%* -doc% -gudev -hwdb -introspection -keymap (-selinux) -static-libs% (-action_modeswitch%) (-build%) (-debug%) (-edd%) (-extras%) (-floppy%) (-rule_generator%*) (-test%)" 2,008 kB |
Mask udev-init-scripts and see if that doesn't force an older udev to be used.
I have this in my portage.mask
| Code: | >=sys-fs/udev-171-r7
>virtual/udev-171
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as I'm quite happy with udev-171-r6 in my local portage tree.
Edit to add: also mask >sys-fs/udev-197
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Carnildo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Anon-E-moose wrote: | | Mask udev-init-scripts and see if that doesn't force an older udev to be used. |
Already masked. That's what the '#' in the emerge output means.
| Quote: | | Edit to add: also mask >sys-fs/udev-197 |
Already masked as well. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Carnildo wrote: | | Anon-E-moose wrote: | | Mask udev-init-scripts and see if that doesn't force an older udev to be used. |
Already masked. That's what the '#' in the emerge output means.
| Quote: | | Edit to add: also mask >sys-fs/udev-197 |
Already masked as well. |
as Anon-E-moose pointed out you need to mask >virtual/udev-171 too.
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