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dmitchell Veteran


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:46 am Post subject: Debate: Obama vs Romney |
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Topic: Domestic policy
Date: October 3, 9:00 pm EST
Location: Denver, Colorado _________________ Your argument is invalid. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:11 am Post subject: |
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OK. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Debate: Obama vs Romney |
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dmitchell wrote: | Topic: Domestic policy | I'll be curious to hear if the private sector is still dreamy. _________________ Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves. |
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sugar Guru


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dmitchell Veteran


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: |
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sugar wrote: | When's the science issue debate? |
Why in the name of fuck would you want to hear politicians debate science? Politicians only have two things to debate: how they are going to fuck foreigners, and how they are going to fuck you. _________________ Your argument is invalid. |
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Bones McCracker Veteran


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Three things: "... and how they are going to make half the population like it and ask for more." _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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Bones McCracker Veteran


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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sugar wrote: | When's the science issue debate? |
Who do you think knows more about science? The guy with the Harvard law degree and a couple years of experience as a social worker, or the guy with the Harvard law degree, Harvard MBA, and about 25 years of actual experience in industry?
Tough call. : _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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wcg Guru

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Obama vs Romney vs ? _________________ TIA |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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This debate will be available to everyone because YouTube is going to stream it. Source. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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sugar Guru


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:01 am Post subject: |
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dmitchell wrote: | sugar wrote: | When's the science issue debate? |
Why in the name of fuck would you want to hear politicians debate science? |
because science affects policy, eg energy, agriculture, fisheries and ocean health, public health and biosecurity, food supply issues, natural resource policies etc.
These are the important issues that don't have their own forum. _________________ He who calls for full employment calls for war! |
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dmitchell Veteran


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:23 am Post subject: |
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sugar wrote: | because science affects policy, eg energy, agriculture, fisheries and ocean health, public health and biosecurity, food supply issues, natural resource policies etc. |
Good reasons to hear scientists debate science. I'm still waiting for a reason to hear politicians debate science. _________________ Your argument is invalid. |
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runningwithscissors Guru


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dmitchell wrote: | sugar wrote: | because science affects policy, eg energy, agriculture, fisheries and ocean health, public health and biosecurity, food supply issues, natural resource policies etc. |
Good reasons to hear scientists debate science. I'm still waiting for a reason to hear politicians debate science. |
Politicians control a lot of the money used for scientific research. _________________ At some stage, the Hindus locked on to the nation destroying concepts like ahimsa (non-violence), shanti (peace), satya (truth) — the ‘ass’ syndrome. |
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Old School Apprentice


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: |
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You people are too young to remember the real debates that were run by the League of Women Voters, not these travesties that are controlled by the two Parties, via a Congressional Committee. _________________ The Future Ain't What It Used To Be
Christmas Lights Are Like Jeffrey Epstein, They Don't Hang Themselves.
The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
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dmitchell Veteran


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:48 am Post subject: |
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runningwithscissors wrote: | Politicians control a lot of the money used for scientific research. |
They do indeed, but they also control a lot of the money used for virtually anything you care to name: it doesn't make them expert--or even intelligible--on any particular subject. Case in point. _________________ Your argument is invalid. |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Split off [split] Et tu quoque, Soggy Cabbage?. _________________ Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves. |
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richk449 Guru


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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dmitchell wrote: | runningwithscissors wrote: | Politicians control a lot of the money used for scientific research. |
They do indeed, but they also control a lot of the money used for virtually anything you care to name: it doesn't make them expert--or even intelligible--on any particular subject. Case in point. |
What does "expert" or "intelligible" have to do with the question? The fact is that the person elected president will have a large degree of power to influence scientific issues - energy policy (nuclear policy, development of fusion, global warming, electric vehicles), space exploration (manned vs unmanned, solar system exploration versus telescopes), medical science (stem cell research, cloning), etc. Aren't those things that they should be discussing in a public forum? |
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dmitchell Veteran


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: |
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richk449 wrote: | What does "expert" or "intelligible" have to do with the question? The fact is that the person elected president will have a large degree of power to influence scientific issues - energy policy (nuclear policy, development of fusion, global warming, electric vehicles), space exploration (manned vs unmanned, solar system exploration versus telescopes), medical science (stem cell research, cloning), etc. Aren't those things that they should be discussing in a public forum? |
Absolutely not. I can see it now...
Quote: | Anderson Cooper: Mr President, you will be representing the side of manned space exploration. Governor Romney, you will be representing the side of unmanned exploration. Mr President, your opening statement, please.
Obama: Herp.
Cooper: And Governor Romney, your response?
Romney: Derp. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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sugar Guru


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:30 am Post subject: |
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dmitchell wrote: | richk449 wrote: | What does "expert" or "intelligible" have to do with the question? The fact is that the person elected president will have a large degree of power to influence scientific issues - energy policy (nuclear policy, development of fusion, global warming, electric vehicles), space exploration (manned vs unmanned, solar system exploration versus telescopes), medical science (stem cell research, cloning), etc. Aren't those things that they should be discussing in a public forum? |
Absolutely not. I can see it now...
Quote: | Anderson Cooper: Mr President, you will be representing the side of manned space exploration. Governor Romney, you will be representing the side of unmanned exploration. Mr President, your opening statement, please.
Obama: Herp.
Cooper: And Governor Romney, your response?
Romney: Derp. |
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I'm sure their respective offices' can come up with a suitable positions on several scientific issues. _________________ He who calls for full employment calls for war! |
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wswartzendruber Veteran


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Obama would continue to go for green energy (that's failed) while Romney would probably go for that hypersonic aircraft (that crashed). _________________ Git has obsoleted SVN.
10mm Auto has obsoleted 45 ACP. |
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Bones McCracker Veteran


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:52 am Post subject: |
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The President can ask for all the money he wants, but Congress controls the money.
Obama talked a lot of shit about the Scyents, and that's pretty much what he delivered - Jack Shit. His most significant act was to kill manned space flight.
Go back to the debates of 2007 and listen to all the shit Obama SAYS he's gonna do, then compare it to reality. _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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sugar Guru


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:54 am Post subject: |
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BoneKracker wrote: | The President can ask for all the money he wants, but Congress controls the money.
Obama talked a lot of shit about the Scyents, and that's pretty much what he delivered - Jack Shit. His most significant act was to kill manned space flight.
Go back to the debates of 2007 and listen to all the shit Obama SAYS he's gonna do, then compare it to reality. |
whatever. Where's the science debate? _________________ He who calls for full employment calls for war! |
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Moon Unit Zappa did a song with her father about people like that. _________________ “If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him” |
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sugar Guru


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Prenj wrote: |
Moon Unit Zappa did a song with her father about people like that. |
about people who are trying to stay on topic? _________________ He who calls for full employment calls for war! |
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juniper l33t


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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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dmitchell wrote: | sugar wrote: | because science affects policy, eg energy, agriculture, fisheries and ocean health, public health and biosecurity, food supply issues, natural resource policies etc. |
Good reasons to hear scientists debate science. I'm still waiting for a reason to hear politicians debate science. |
indeed. but both candidates should know basic science as their decisions affect a lot of science. |
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