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| Meanwhile, back in the real world, the stimulus was actually a great success in cushioning the impact of the shitstorm Obama inherited. |
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Not even by his own standards. He went on TV and appealed to the American People to let him have $800 billion for "stimulus", saying that it would be used to prevent unemployment from rising above 8.5% and speed up the economic recovery. OBVIOUSLY, that's not what it was used for, because neither of those things happened.
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| Of course president Obama is better than the Great Depression, that's a no-brainer, but he's also better than or equal to many awesome things. |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Not even by his own standards. He went on TV and appealed to the American People to let him have $800 billion for "stimulus", saying that it would be used to prevent unemployment from rising above 8.5% and speed up the economic recovery. OBVIOUSLY, that's not what it was used for, because neither of those things happened. |
it speed up the recovery! You've had 12 straight quarters of growth ffs!
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| sugar wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Not even by his own standards. He went on TV and appealed to the American People to let him have $800 billion for "stimulus", saying that it would be used to prevent unemployment from rising above 8.5% and speed up the economic recovery. OBVIOUSLY, that's not what it was used for, because neither of those things happened. |
it speed up the recovery! You've had 12 straight quarters of growth ffs! |
Now you're just trolling. I refer you to my last response to you saying this same idiotic thing.
Better yet, read this: Forbes -- Worst economic recover ever. Facts, logic, and data, oh my! 
Or this: Washington Post - "Worst economic recovery America has ever had." Statements by real experts! Pretty graphs!
Or this: Even NBC News (Nibble Barack's Cock News) doesn't deny it. More facts, real mathematics, graphs!
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The religious freaks who've taken over the party need to go, no question about that. But, yes, the same Reagan who pulled us out worse economic conditions than we have now. Yes, that Reagan.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Not even by his own standards. He went on TV and appealed to the American People to let him have $800 billion for "stimulus", saying that it would be used to prevent unemployment from rising above 8.5% and speed up the economic recovery. OBVIOUSLY, that's not what it was used for, because neither of those things happened. |
it speed up the recovery! You've had 12 straight quarters of growth ffs! |
Now you're just trolling. I refer you to my last response to you saying this same idiotic thing.
Better yet, read this: Forbes -- Worst economic recover ever. Facts, logic, and data, oh my!
Or this: Washington Post - "Worst economic recovery America has ever had." Statements by real experts! Pretty graphs!
Or this: Even NBC News (Nibble Barack's Cock News) doesn't deny it. More facts, real mathematics, graphs! |
get an education
| Quote: | | This isn’t a picture of an economy hobbled by Big Government; it’s a picture of an economy hobbled by premature austerity. |
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/the-hobbled-recovery/
| Quote: | | So, more than four years ago I predicted a very slow recovery. Why? Because recessions like those of 1990-91, 2001, and 2007-2009 have very different origins from recessions like 1974-75 or the double-dip recession of 1979-82. The old recessions were more or less deliberately created by the Fed via tight money to control inflation, which meant that you had a V-shaped recovery once the Fed decided that we had suffered enough and loosened the reins. The new recessions all reflected private-sector overreach, which is much harder to make up for. |
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/reagan-obama-recovery/
Krugman predicts a slow recovery back in 2008, back when your kind were denying there was even a recession, and people should stop whining.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/postmodern-recessions/
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I am not persuaded by quotes of one decidedly partisan and ranting lunatic who appears to have lost his mind and most of his credibility over the past couple of years due to unbearable cognitive dissonance as his entire world-view has crumbled around his ears.
Also, stop making shit up. Show me where I denied there was a recession? 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: Obama's Accelerating Downward Spiral For America |
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Forbes: middle class income has declined more during the "Obama Recovery" that it did during the "Bush Recession", and the decline is accelerating.
| Quote: | Obama never tires of telling us that the economy was in one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression when he entered office, as if he was the only President to have suffered a recession early in his term. But nobody expected that he would use the vast powers of the most powerful office in the world to make it worse. But that is what he has done.
Even if you start from when the recession ended in June, 2009, the decline since then has been greater than it was during the recession. Three years into the Obama recovery, median family income had declined nearly 5% by June, 2012 as compared to June, 2009. That is nearly twice the decline of 2.6% that occurred during the recession from December, 2007 until June, 2009. As the Wall Street Journal summarized in its August 25-26 weekend edition, “For household income, in other words, the Obama recovery has been worse than the Bush recession.”
The Journal elaborated, “The President portrays the financial decline of American families on his watch as part of a decades-long trend. He’s wrong. Real income for middle income households rose by roughly 30% from 1983 to 2005, according to the Congressional Budget Office.” And MSNBC hosts, listen up, you might learn something. The Journal further explains, “The political left likes to blame the ebbing of union power. But non-government unionization fell dramatically in the 1980s and 90s, and incomes rose.”
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http://youtu.be/ykeIYdHc9nE
Just sayin...
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Yeah. The GOP ideas that "didn't work in the past, don't work now, and will never work". Unlike Obama's ideas, which are working so well.
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Author Peter Ferrararerrrrra
| Quote: | | I am Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Heartland Institute |
Say no more. |
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Do you dispute anything specific that he is saying?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: 'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags' |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197527/New-report-reveals-insensitive-racial-remark-Bill-Clinton-Barack-Obama-2008.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
| Quote: | Bill Clinton made an insensitive racial remark about Barack Obama while his wife battled him for the Democratic nomination vote, it was claimed today.
The former U.S. president, whose wife Hillary battled Obama in the 2008 primary campaign, is said to have remarked of the current president: 'A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.'
Clinton allegedly made the insensitive remark to Senator Ted Kennedy in 2008, while trying to convince him to endorse Hillary for the Democratic nomination, according to the New Yorker. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: 'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags' |
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| notageek wrote: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197527/New-report-reveals-insensitive-racial-remark-Bill-Clinton-Barack-Obama-2008.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
| Quote: | Bill Clinton made an insensitive racial remark about Barack Obama while his wife battled him for the Democratic nomination vote, it was claimed today.
The former U.S. president, whose wife Hillary battled Obama in the 2008 primary campaign, is said to have remarked of the current president: 'A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.'
Clinton allegedly made the insensitive remark to Senator Ted Kennedy in 2008, while trying to convince him to endorse Hillary for the Democratic nomination, according to the New Yorker. |
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it was a comment made off the record.
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I think what you mean to say is, "Oh, well that was a comment made by a Democrat, so let's play along like it didn't happen."
If Bush or Romney said this, "off the record", the Democrats would incite race riots.
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outrageous!
Things like this make me mad!
Obama would have never worked as a baggage handler. He is way to frail. He looks more like a trickster.
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I don't get it. What's racial about this?
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There's nothing racial about it at all. It's that if a Republican had said this, the Democrats would bitch because it could be racist.
But people know the standard they use against others. Why else do you think sugar so easily accepted the premise that it really was racial?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: 'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags' |
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| sugar wrote: | | it was a comment made off the record. |
Which just indicates he meant it. Although, in his defense, it has been widely circulated that the Clintons are not fans of the Obamas.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: Chris Hedges "The World as it is" |
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Interesting.
| Quote: | | "The election of Obama was one more triumph of illusion over substance. It was a skillful manipulation and betrayal of the public by a corporate power elite. We mistook style and ethnicity - an advertising tactic pioneered by Calvin Klein and Benetton - for progressive politics and genuine change" - from "Death of the Liberal Class" by same author |
Maybe helps to put Obama/Romney into perspective, for the hopeless ones out there 
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I like Hedges. Many points of agreement.
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No matter how much someone dislikes the GOP, it is nigh impossible to credibly defend Obama.
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| pjp wrote: | | No matter how much someone dislikes the GOP, it is nigh impossible to credibly defend Obama. |
compared to Bush he's bloody excellent.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: Re: 'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags' |
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| pjp wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | it was a comment made off the record. |
Which just indicates he meant it. Although, in his defense, it has been widely circulated that the Clintons are not fans of the Obamas. |
not necessarily. People shoot their mouths off all the time.
If it's on record, then you should be held accountable to it. If it's not, then it probably shouldn't headline the daily mail.
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