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Qwerti n00b
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 4 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:57 am Post subject: How to install from OS 9 |
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Umm... hi! I'm going to install Gentoo on a 366 MHz clamshell iBook G3 that has 192 MB RAM and 8/10 GB of hard drive space. I have experience with the command line, but it has OS 9.2.2 instead of OS X, so I can't use the command-line. The CD-drive does not work, so I can't install OS X on it and I'd have to put Gentoo on a flash drive. I have access to other computers with OS X (PPC) that I could burn the flash drive on, but I'm not sure if the files would be compatible. And how would the process of burning it on to a flash drive be different from burning it onto a CD. I would dual boot it with the original OS, by the way. Any help? Thanks! |
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boerKrelis Apprentice
Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Posts: 241 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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If I were you I'd get a YellowDog live environment running (from flash drive, maybe over firewire, check their docs) and install Gentoo from that environment. |
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i92guboj Bodhisattva
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 10315 Location: Córdoba (Spain)
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think you will get better help here. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the PPC architecture.
Moved from Installing Gentoo to Gentoo on PPC. |
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Qwerti n00b
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 4 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, for the minimal install, how should I do LiveUSB, and with which Gentoo download? My iBook has Open Firmware, by the way. Sorry if I'm asking for too much, I've never installed Linux, only used the command-line.
boerKrelis wrote: | If I were you I'd get a YellowDog live environment running (from flash drive, maybe over firewire, check their docs) and install Gentoo from that environment. | Thanks, but YellowDog doesn't have G3 support. |
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i92guboj Bodhisattva
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 10315 Location: Córdoba (Spain)
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well, since no one is answering I'll give a try.
Take all I say with a grain of salt, since, as I already warned you, I have zero experience with the ppc architecture.
In regular pc's and almost every other machine, we'd do this, to "burn" the iso file into the flash drive, be warned that this will totally kill the filesystem in that drive, and any traces of the information living inside that flash drive will be lost:
Code: | dd if=inputfile.iso of=/dev/sdf |
Change sdf by whatever your flash drive is. Note I am using the whole drive, and not a partition inside of it.
Being that done, assumed that your machine is able to boot from usb, and assuming that you used the right iso for your architecture, you should be able to boot from that flash drive. That is, in the pc world at least. If no one else can give you a better hint, at least now you have got something to try out. |
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Jaglover Watchman
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 8291 Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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May I recommend you rethink it a little bit.
It certainly is possible to install Gentoo on a G3 ... but with your hard drive and 192 MiB of RAM I'd put portage on NFS and I'd use distcc in pump mode. Meaning there has to be a more powerful box on your network to offer distcc and NFS. _________________ My Gentoo installation notes.
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Qwerti n00b
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 4 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Jaglover wrote: | May I recommend you rethink it a little bit.
It certainly is possible to install Gentoo on a G3 ... but with your hard drive and 192 MiB of RAM I'd put portage on NFS and I'd use distcc in pump mode. Meaning there has to be a more powerful box on your network to offer distcc and NFS. |
Wait... what's NFS and what's distcc? I think I'm looking into a RAM upgrade of 512 MB sometime in the future. |
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Jaglover Watchman
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 8291 Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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You wrote you have access to OS X boxes on your LAN, set up one of them as a NFS server. Why? Because portage will consume some space and you are tight on HDD space. I just did du -h on my portage and it is over 10 GiB (after eclean distfiles).
Why distcc. Because even 512 MiB of RAM is still low for compiling, You have to disable -pipe and cannot do parallel make. With 366 MHz CPU it will take ages. _________________ My Gentoo installation notes.
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Qwerti n00b
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Posts: 4 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Jaglover wrote: | You wrote you have access to OS X boxes on your LAN, set up one of them as a NFS server. Why? Because portage will consume some space and you are tight on HDD space. I just did du -h on my portage and it is over 10 GiB (after eclean distfiles).
Why distcc. Because even 512 MiB of RAM is still low for compiling, You have to disable -pipe and cannot do parallel make. With 366 MHz CPU it will take ages. |
Yeah, I think that my computer won't do so well until upgrades. I tried MintPPC on it, but whenever I boot it from Open Firmware, it keeps on giving this message:
MAC-PARTS: specified partition is not valid can't OPEN: /pci@20000000/mac-io@17/ata-4@1f000/@0:6,\\tbxi
ok
or:
method <load> not found; ihandle=ffbc8500 phandle=ff85ff60 load-size=0 adler32=1
Is there a Linux distro that doesn't have as many heavy requirements? |
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Jaglover Watchman
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 8291 Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Gentoo is the distro you want to be as light as possible. Only you have to build it for your G3 in another box, because 192 MiB, 366 MHz is not going to cut it. It involves cross-compiling and a few other complications. _________________ My Gentoo installation notes.
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Etal Veteran
Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 1931
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Has compilation become that much more intensive?
About 5 years ago, I managed to install Gentoo on an iMac with similar specs (a translucent CRT-looking one), maybe it had a bit more RAM. I've even managed to install KDE 3.5 on it, and it worked at a decent speed. I even compiled OpenOffice 1.x on it - took about 25 hours
So I'd say, give it a try. Of course you shouldn't even think of compiling Firefox or Chromium - people are having trouble with them now, with modern machines. But I'm sure if you proceed carefully (watching dependencies), you could get a functional Xfce desktop. _________________ “And even in authoritarian countries, information networks are helping people discover new facts and making governments more accountable.”– Hillary Clinton, Jan. 21, 2010 |
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Daytona n00b
Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 55 Location: EN51vt
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Several times I've been in a similar situation, and I've removed the hard drive and attached it to a USB adapter, and did all of the setup up on a PC. This requires that the PC (or, more genericly, the "other machine") be capable of compiling for the correct (target) architecture, in this case PPC. Once you have a basic system running, then as others have suggested run distcc to offload the compilation of everything else to more powerful boxes.
I've also done this for old PCs where I was having more difficulty getting them to boot from CD.
It's not a terribly trivial task, but does work. |
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