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LonelyStar
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: chromium without the google Reply with quote

Hi,

I like google chrome (chromium). But I do not like google collection statistics about me.
There read that there are ways to avoid this. Which are possible in gentoo?

What about Iron? Anyone using it, is it usable?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just turn off some stuff in the settings (it should be obvious which send info to google) and you're done. There is one thing in Chrome that can't be turned off, but it's not in Chromium, so just use that. Further info: http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-google.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, with Chromium you don't need to worry about "sending data" (you may want to adjust your privacy settings in the "under the hood" tab in options). The link Gusar posted should answer your questions (if you have more, feel free to post them here).

And Iron is a strange project, see http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html . I'd rather recommend sticking with Chromium, and turning off features you don't like.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_ph wrote:
So, with Chromium you don't need to worry about "sending data" (you may want to adjust your privacy settings in the "under the hood" tab in options). The link Gusar posted should answer your questions (if you have more, feel free to post them here).

And Iron is a strange project, see http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html . I'd rather recommend sticking with Chromium, and turning off features you don't like.


indeed !

haha - how ambiguous :P

I always (secretly) knew and know now that Google is a great company - if not THE most friendliest of all the big players out there :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_ph wrote:
So, with Chromium you don't need to worry about "sending data" (you may want to adjust your privacy settings in the "under the hood" tab in options). The link Gusar posted should answer your questions (if you have more, feel free to post them here).

And Iron is a strange project, see http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html . I'd rather recommend sticking with Chromium, and turning off features you don't like.


In fact, but at least, we can disable these features.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Is chromium browser safe or also logs your activity like goo Reply with quote

Your opinions please.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not studied the code, but as far as I know chromium is exactly the same as chrome, but without the Google branding -- so I would assume it does peer at your online activities.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think that answer should be enough to tell about tracking datas & privacy : google

i mean any question related to a company about privacy might need an answer, but for google and facebook, i don't think more is need than their names to get an answer
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:06 pm    Post subject: SRWare Iron is Chrome/Chromium without the privacy concerns Reply with quote

I read recently about the browser SRWare Iron:

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SRWare Iron is a real alternative. The browser is based on the Chromium-source and offers the same features as Chrome - but without the critical points that the privacy concern.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SRWare iron it looks interesting. It would be great to be in portage.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the Iron thing - it seems weird to trust a random guy so much. Read http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html for more info about that browser. In my opinion it's not worth adding to portage.

See also http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html. Many options like omnibox suggestions can be disabled in the settings.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phajdan.jr wrote:
About the Iron thing - it seems weird to trust a random guy so much. Read http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html for more info about that browser. In my opinion it's not worth adding to portage.
Thanks for posting this link... quite informative.

Even if you aren't using chrome/chromium, you are still being tracked online by a number of other sources -- the most obvious being your ISP. I'm hoping the FreedomBox takes off, since using Tor can be slow and painful at the moment.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err, Chrome does not log your activity. Not more than any other browser anyway. The stuff that sends info to google (like search suggestions, something Firefox's searchbar does by default too) can be disabled in the options. Beyond that, the only way to not get tracked is not go online.

About Iron, phajdan.jr already covered that. I too am again and again amazed that people will just like that trust a random person on the internet.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isn't a lot open source software made by some random dude in their spare time? You trust those, so what so different about this? If it's open source I'm sure someone will check out his chrome patches before committing it to portage.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this one more since it actually has the diff between Chromium and Iron: Is Iron a Scam? Yes
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<3 wrote:
isn't a lot open source software made by some random dude in their spare time? You trust those, so what so different about this? If it's open source I'm sure someone will check out his chrome patches before committing it to portage.


Yeah, a few points to add:

1. The argument is more like "if you don't trust Google, why do you trust a random guy more?". Also, most open source projects release the source code, and the binary builds are mostly for convenience. In case of Iron, you're not only trusting any source modifications he's made, but also that the downloaded binary is really what he claims it is.

2. Chromium is a big codebase, with a lot of changes being made every day (about 100 in the browser itself, and another 100 in WebKit, the rendering engine - every day). It's much easier to verify a simple script some nice person wrote and shared on the internet, but verifying someone's modifications to such a big codebase is much harder. In my opinion it's better to focus on reviewing the Chromium code and looking for problems. In fact, that's what people are doing, see http://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/hall-of-fame.

3. The Iron guy makes it rather hard to review the changes (probably unintentionally). Last time I checked, the source code was compressed in a weird archive format stored on rapidshare, and the archive was split into multiple files. On the other hand, the Chromium project has a Subversion repository, making it much easier to get code diffs between releases. There is also a single tarball with all the sources generated regularly, on http://build.chromium.org/official/.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Unsupported Software to Other Things Gentoo and merged from here.
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