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May 6th
We really have to get this lot out. But who to vote for ...
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[rant]You can always choose a new master but you cannot choose to not be a slave! [/rant]
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The lower taxes and decreased regulation party. Isn't that the crux of all of the problems in the UK? Taxes and stupid regulations?
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| tylerwylie wrote: | | ... but you cannot choose to not be a slave! |
Well you can choose not to vote, sends pretty much the same signal as a vote for the BNP, i.e. shock horror - look at this must do something ...
Then everything settles back down to normality.
Either that or stage a Spartacus style uprising. I really don't have the knees for that either.
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | The lower taxes and decreased regulation party. Isn't that the crux of all of the problems in the UK? Taxes and stupid regulations? |
Pretty much so and the fact that we're not masters of our own ship (EU) and have an incredibly weak immigration policy.
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| John-Boy wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | The lower taxes and decreased regulation party. Isn't that the crux of all of the problems in the UK? Taxes and stupid regulations? |
Pretty much so and the fact that we're not masters of our own ship (EU) and have an incredibly weak immigration policy. |
Very similar problems here in the USA. Replace EU with UN & any 3rd world dictator our president wants to suck up to.
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So, John-Boy and Chopinzee, when are you getting your members cards for the National Socialist Workers Party again?
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I hear you guys are headed for a hung parliament. I dont care if you want a change, but for gods sake dont let the tories back in!
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| cokehabit wrote: | | So, John-Boy and Chopinzee, when are you getting your members cards for the National Socialist Workers Party again? |
What part of "hating regulations" makes you leap to the assumption that either one of us would want a larger government?
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | So, John-Boy and Chopinzee, when are you getting your members cards for the National Socialist Workers Party again? |
What part of "hating regulations" makes you leap to the assumption that either one of us would want a larger government? |
Right, so everyone's beliefs fall within the exact restrictions of one party then?
No. No one party ever fits your views 100%
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| cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | So, John-Boy and Chopinzee, when are you getting your members cards for the National Socialist Workers Party again? |
What part of "hating regulations" makes you leap to the assumption that either one of us would want a larger government? |
Right, so everyone's beliefs fall within the exact restrictions of one party then?
No. No one party ever fits your views 100% |
You keep confusing those who want less government with those who support massive government.
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | You keep confusing those who want less government with those who support massive government. |
And the problem with people that support National Socialism is their view on the size of government, eh? 
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| cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | You keep confusing those who want less government with those who support massive government. |
And the problem with people that support National Socialism is their view on the size of government, eh? |
Tyranny -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Liberty
Nazism/communism ....... Socialism ... Social democrats ..............................................Libertarians
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | You keep confusing those who want less government with those who support massive government. |
And the problem with people that support National Socialism is their view on the size of government, eh? |
Tyranny -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Liberty
Nazism/communism ....... Socialism ... Social democrats ..............................................Libertarians |
s/Liberty/Plutocracy.
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| runningwithscissors wrote: | | s/Liberty/Plutocracy. |
So says the commie pinko 
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try:
Nazism......................everything else.........................Communism
Then you'd be right
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| cokehabit wrote: | try:
Nazism......................everything else.........................Communism
Then you'd be right |
No. Make a scale from absolute government power to minimal government power, and you'll find National Socialism & Socialism being rather close. Beyond left right, the scale of statism -v- liberty clearly shows the difference between those who love liberty and those who want control.
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | try:
Nazism......................everything else.........................Communism
Then you'd be right |
No. Make a scale from absolute government power to minimal government power, and you'll find National Socialism & Socialism being rather close. Beyond left right, the scale of statism -v- liberty clearly shows the difference between those who love liberty and those who want control. |
make a scale from those who like pie and those who don't and it may be the same, doesn't make it right
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| cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | try:
Nazism......................everything else.........................Communism
Then you'd be right |
No. Make a scale from absolute government power to minimal government power, and you'll find National Socialism & Socialism being rather close. Beyond left right, the scale of statism -v- liberty clearly shows the difference between those who love liberty and those who want control. |
make a scale from those who like pie and those who don't and it may be the same, doesn't make it right |
How can you even try to deny that the difference between tyranny and liberty is valid? The "la la la la I can't hear you" defense won't work, just think about it.
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | try:
Nazism......................everything else.........................Communism
Then you'd be right |
No. Make a scale from absolute government power to minimal government power, and you'll find National Socialism & Socialism being rather close. Beyond left right, the scale of statism -v- liberty clearly shows the difference between those who love liberty and those who want control. |
make a scale from those who like pie and those who don't and it may be the same, doesn't make it right |
How can you even try to deny that the difference between tyranny and liberty is valid? The "la la la la I can't hear you" defense won't work, just think about it. |
having a line of those who like liberty and those who like tyranny is like asking people to vote whether they want to spend 5 years in jail or 5 years on holiday... retarded. Nobody votes because they want to be repressed 
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| cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | Chopinzee wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | try:
Nazism......................everything else.........................Communism
Then you'd be right |
No. Make a scale from absolute government power to minimal government power, and you'll find National Socialism & Socialism being rather close. Beyond left right, the scale of statism -v- liberty clearly shows the difference between those who love liberty and those who want control. |
make a scale from those who like pie and those who don't and it may be the same, doesn't make it right |
How can you even try to deny that the difference between tyranny and liberty is valid? The "la la la la I can't hear you" defense won't work, just think about it. |
having a line of those who like liberty and those who like tyranny is like asking people to vote whether they want to spend 5 years in jail or 5 years on holiday... retarded. Nobody votes because they want to be repressed |
They vote to repress others. They vote to take stuff away from one group and give it to themselves. That is tyranny whether you want to admit it or not.
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | They vote to repress others. They vote to take stuff away from one group and give it to themselves. That is tyranny whether you want to admit it or not. |
So when people voted Hitler in they were knowingly voting for the repression of others? And there was me thinking it was about building up a strong country, stopping rampant inflation and war repatriations! I'm glad you have showed me the light there.
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Who to vote for, who to vote for...
Conservatives fucked over small businesses royally!
Labour have successfully screwed over large businesses
My local MP is labour but she is standing down this year so nice fresh candidates.
*IF* she was staying in I might have voted for her because on the whole she is/was a great PM for the area (I don't agree with her pro-ban on foxhunting or her wanting to scrap the tridant project completely) so in a way I don't have the problem of "vote for your local MP" when it comes to the parliamentary system.
Now I /really/ want to get labour out, they have messed up on a mamouth level but that pretty much leave voting tory since if there is a hung parliament then gg Britain...
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I was reading in the Economist that the Grens stood a chance in Brighton this year. Seems like the logical choice to me. I really don't think Cameron is qualified to run a country. MY impression is that world leaders all look down on him whenever he tries to visit them.
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Barack Obama's meeting with Tory leader David Cameron in London earlier this year left the Democratic nominee "distinctly unimpressed", it has been claimed.
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Labour and the Conservatives look exactly the same. I'm not going to vote for either. Neither has done enough for my vote.
So who do I have...
Liberal Democrats - centre left (good), pro europe (good), anti-nanny state (good)
Green party - centre left (good), green (good), enviro-maniacs (not good)
UKIP - Just no.
Respect - Anti war (good), socialist (bad)
BNP - Just No
Well you're never going to find me voting for BNP or UKIP so it looks like the Liberal Democrats represent me the most
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