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efernandez2 Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 110
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: Is GUI install gone? |
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I noticed that on the new livedvd there's no gui install icon on the desktop, was that eliminated? |
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nikaya Veteran
Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1471 Location: Germany
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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In fact, it's long gone and it's a good thing IMOO. |
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nikaya Veteran
Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1471 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | In fact, it's long gone and it's a good thing IMOO. |
agree ++ _________________ Notes on Dhamma
How to waste your time: look for an explanation of consciousness, ask to know what feeling is. (Nanavira Thera) |
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Muso Veteran
Joined: 22 Oct 2002 Posts: 1052 Location: The Holy city of Honolulu
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | In fact, it's long gone and it's a good thing IMOO. |
I never understood why they had built one for gentoo in the first place. _________________ "You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think" ~ Dorothy Parker
2021 is the year of the Linux Desktop! |
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Randy Andy Veteran
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 1148 Location: /dev/koelsch
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, i agree too.
It conflicts with the gentoo way _________________ If you want to see a Distro done right, compile it yourself! |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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In fact, with a GUI, you remove the idea of choice. |
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keenblade Veteran
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 1087
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | In fact, with a GUI, you remove the idea of choice. |
I agree, if you create a one button installer, then "the idea of choice" is gone. But that is not necessarily. In principle, everything you do while installing gentoo without a gui can be done with a gui, too. It is up to the implementation of the gui installer. I think the problem is using too much automation with the gui install. So it has to decide lots of things itself. _________________ Anyway it's all the same at the end...
Need help to get it working: "x-fi surround 5.1" |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: |
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How do you code a GUI interface that may handle 200 Use flags and a lot of cflags |
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keenblade Veteran
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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The gui does not need to handle those, you will handle them as in gentoo way. If you don't want to handle yourself, then the installer can provide some choices like desktop or server profile with sane defaults that can be altered by user. Even it may be possible specify use flags per package basis. _________________ Anyway it's all the same at the end...
Need help to get it working: "x-fi surround 5.1" |
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dE_logics Advocate
Joined: 02 Jan 2009 Posts: 2253 Location: $TERM
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Man I had a bad time with that installer... |
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John R. Graham Administrator
Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 10589 Location: Somewhere over Atlanta, Georgia
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Tried it a few times. Never was able to complete an install.
- John _________________ I can confirm that I have received between 0 and 499 National Security Letters. |
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i92guboj Bodhisattva
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 10315 Location: Córdoba (Spain)
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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The GUI installer was never reliable. A number of attempts have been made, all of them failed shamefully. Even when there was one, everyone would advise against using it because it caused more problems than it solved. It was so nice when it worked without a glitch, one time out of 20 maybe. The rest of times it was 10x harder to install Gentoo using it than using "The Gentoo way", as per the handbook.
The fact that there have been many attempts and the fact that they all are not abandoned projects should serve as an indicator that no Gentoo user cares about it.
You can consider the installation as a formative cycle that you need to pass to qualify to be a Gentoo user. If you can't bother to read and follow the handbook you won't be able to maintain a Gentoo OS anyway. So, in a sense, having such an entry method saves you quite a lot of time and frustration if you don't plan to read the handbook at all.
You can always use Sabayon, Arch or something else that fits you better. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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i92guboj wrote: | You can consider the installation as a formative cycle that you need to pass to qualify to be a Gentoo user. If you can't bother to read and follow the handbook you won't be able to maintain a Gentoo OS anyway. So, in a sense, having such an entry method saves you quite a lot of time and frustration if you don't plan to read the handbook at all.
You can always use Sabayon, Arch or something else that fits you better. |
Nice way to resume, I 100% agree with you |
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efernandez2 Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 110
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: it wasn't for me |
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It's for someone else that has had issues installing the os. installation following the book is simple, the only part I have not attempted to tackle is configuring a wireless network setup. |
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Mandr4ke Apprentice
Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 214 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | i92guboj wrote: | You can consider the installation as a formative cycle that you need to pass to qualify to be a Gentoo user. If you can't bother to read and follow the handbook you won't be able to maintain a Gentoo OS anyway. So, in a sense, having such an entry method saves you quite a lot of time and frustration if you don't plan to read the handbook at all.
You can always use Sabayon, Arch or something else that fits you better. |
Nice way to resume, I 100% agree with you |
I have to say, i just installed Sabayon (which is binary, Gentoo Based) and it's awesome!! |
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cach0rr0 Bodhisattva
Joined: 13 Nov 2008 Posts: 4123 Location: Houston, Republic of Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:52 am Post subject: Re: it wasn't for me |
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efernandez2 wrote: | It's for someone else that has had issues installing the os. installation following the book is simple, the only part I have not attempted to tackle is configuring a wireless network setup. |
wireless driver as a module (not built-in), cfg80211 && mac80211 as modules (avoid lib80211 unless using broadcom, in which case avoid mac80211), emerge firmware if needed, emerge wicd, and you're sorted
wireless is only annoying to deal with in absence of working X setup _________________ Lost configuring your system?
dump lspci -n here | see Pappy's guide | Link Stash |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Mandr4ke wrote: | I have to say, i just installed Sabayon (which is binary, Gentoo Based) and it's awesome!! |
I will try it just for fun, it's seems to be good if you don't mix emerge and the package manager from Sabayon.
If you use Sabayon, then don't compile application with emerge, stick with the binary |
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keenblade Veteran
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 1087
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:59 am Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | Mandr4ke wrote: | I have to say, i just installed Sabayon (which is binary, Gentoo Based) and it's awesome!! |
I will try it just for fun, it's seems to be good if you don't mix emerge and the package manager from Sabayon.
If you use Sabayon, then don't compile application with emerge, stick with the binary |
It still seems good if you mix emerge and the package manager (entropy) from Sabayon. Look at their HOWTO: Install Packages on Sabayon / The Complete Portage Guide
I believe in the past if you use portage, then you need to inform entropy about it. I don't remember the command for that. Probably not needed now.
I installed sabayon for some friends who can't deal with gentoo, they are all good. And their package manager is very good (I perefer portage though). But I feel sabayon a little slower than my lovely gentoo. _________________ Anyway it's all the same at the end...
Need help to get it working: "x-fi surround 5.1" |
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mwhite n00b
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 10
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I rarely had trouble with the installer. It wasn't perfect, but it worked. On the other hand, I can't get a compiled kernel to mount the root file system on boot up. |
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Mandr4ke Apprentice
Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 214 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:38 am Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | Mandr4ke wrote: | I have to say, i just installed Sabayon (which is binary, Gentoo Based) and it's awesome!! |
I will try it just for fun, it's seems to be good if you don't mix emerge and the package manager from Sabayon.
If you use Sabayon, then don't compile application with emerge, stick with the binary |
If you need to though, there is a guide on how to use both, if you need an older package, or something that's not in the package manager.
http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Safely_mix_Entropy_and_Portage |
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John R. Graham Administrator
Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 10589 Location: Somewhere over Atlanta, Georgia
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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mwhite wrote: | I rarely had trouble with the installer. It wasn't perfect, but it worked. On the other hand, I can't get a compiled kernel to mount the root file system on boot up. | That's almost a Haiku to the reasons why Gentoo shouldn't have an installer.
- John _________________ I can confirm that I have received between 0 and 499 National Security Letters. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah you are right John |
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XQYZ Apprentice
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 231 Location: Europe
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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mwhite wrote: | I rarely had trouble with the installer. It wasn't perfect, but it worked. On the other hand, I can't get a compiled kernel to mount the root file system on boot up. |
And if you hadn't used the installer and read and thought about your problem you'd now know why. Most likely you just didn't select the support for your motherboards HDD-Interface, or you forgot to include a specific filesystem, or your boot loader was fubar...
Even if you were unable to figure it out and nobody here could have helped you, genkernel would have solved it.
Jeez people, don't just give up when it get's hard. That's where the fun begins.
There's nothing like a 10h debug session for a simple problem. |
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mmelen n00b
Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 4 Location: Ithaca, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | In fact, with a GUI, you remove the idea of choice. |
I agree with that as well. But the fact is that some people prefer it with a GUI, or even a choice to install with a GUI so I don't completely agree with the decision. _________________ tomcat 5.5 - tomcat 6 - tomcat memory - tomcat eclipse |
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