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elkhunter
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Thanks for the help mwhitlock. My fonts look much better now but they are still slightly fuzzy so I think I still have something not quite right. Here's what I have done so far:
layman -a xeffects
layman -a gentoo-china
add newspr and utils to USE flags in make.conf
emerge media-libs/freetype x11-libs/cairo x11-libs/libXft libXfont
replace my ~/.fonts.conf with your version listed above
removed /etc/fonts/local.conf (I still had really ugly fonts 'til I removed this)
I'm running fluxbox and the fonts look pretty good in most everything I've tried (kde apps, gnome apps, xterm -fa 'Bitstream Vera Sans 12' -fs 9, firefox, thunderbird, etc). However they are still a little blurry. I'm wondering if I have my fontconfig set incorrectly for my LCD monitor. Here's what I currently have:
Available fontconfig .conf files ( Desktop bin cpb dead.letter mythbackup other_root_files play_dvd_gxine play_dvd_mplayer tmp vmplayer is enabled ):
[1] 10-autohint.conf *
[2] 10-no-sub-pixel.conf
[3] 10-sub-pixel-bgr.conf
[4] 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf *
[5] 10-sub-pixel-vbgr.conf
[6] 10-sub-pixel-vrgb.conf
[7] 10-unhinted.conf
[8] 20-fix-globaladvance.conf *
[9] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-experimental.conf
[10] 20-unhint-small-dejavu.conf
[11] 20-unhint-small-vera.conf *
[12] 25-unhint-nonlatin.conf
[13] 30-metric-aliases.conf *
[14] 30-urw-aliases.conf *
[15] 40-nonlatin.conf *
[16] 45-latin.conf *
[17] 49-sansserif.conf *
[18] 50-user.conf *
[19] 51-local.conf *
[20] 57-dejavu.conf
[21] 60-latin.conf *
[22] 60-liberation.conf
[23] 61-dejavu-experimental.conf
[24] 65-fonts-persian.conf *
[25] 65-nonlatin.conf *
[26] 69-unifont.conf *
[27] 70-no-bitmaps.conf
[28] 70-yes-bitmaps.conf
[29] 80-delicious.conf *
[30] 90-synthetic.conf *
Any help appreciated and thanks in advance. |
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mwhitlock
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bluesurfer wrote: | | Why do you want kdelibs from xeffects? There's no need to if you just want to have better rendered fonts. |
Since I have the xeffects overlay installed, several other ebuilds (including kdelibs) build from the overlay. Some KDE ebuilds from xeffects call functions defined in the xeffects kdelibs that are not defined in the trunk kdelibs. That means that I have to keep using the xeffects kdelibs, but sometimes it falls behind in version.
I would really prefer if there were some way to configure portage to only use an overlay for certain packages. I really only care to have cairo and libXft built from the overlay ebuilds without all the rest of the xeffects KDE stuff. |
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mwhitlock
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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elkhunter, do your fonts look like those in my screen shot, or are they blurrier?
I haven't toggled any of the fontconfig files from their defaults, except that I have enabled substitution of dejavu fonts (57-dejavu.conf). In other words, this is what I have enabled:
| Code: | Available fontconfig .conf files ( * is enabled ):
[1] 10-autohint.conf
[2] 10-no-sub-pixel.conf
[3] 10-sub-pixel-bgr.conf
[4] 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf *
[5] 10-sub-pixel-vbgr.conf
[6] 10-sub-pixel-vrgb.conf
[7] 10-unhinted.conf
[8] 20-fix-globaladvance.conf *
[9] 20-unhint-small-dejavu.conf
[10] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-experimental.conf
[11] 20-unhint-small-vera.conf *
[12] 25-unhint-nonlatin.conf
[13] 30-metric-aliases.conf *
[14] 30-urw-aliases.conf *
[15] 40-nonlatin.conf *
[16] 45-latin.conf *
[17] 49-sansserif.conf *
[18] 50-user.conf *
[19] 51-local.conf *
[20] 57-dejavu.conf *
[21] 60-latin.conf *
[22] 61-dejavu-experimental.conf
[23] 65-fonts-persian.conf *
[24] 65-nonlatin.conf *
[25] 69-unifont.conf *
[26] 70-no-bitmaps.conf
[27] 70-yes-bitmaps.conf
[28] 80-delicious.conf *
[29] 90-synthetic.conf * |
By the way, I ran 'layman -a gentoo-china', and it worked just fine. I don't know why gentoo-china is not listed in 'layman -L'. |
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yabbadabbadont
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mwhitlock wrote: | | bluesurfer wrote: | | Why do you want kdelibs from xeffects? There's no need to if you just want to have better rendered fonts. |
Since I have the xeffects overlay installed, several other ebuilds (including kdelibs) build from the overlay. Some KDE ebuilds from xeffects call functions defined in the xeffects kdelibs that are not defined in the trunk kdelibs. That means that I have to keep using the xeffects kdelibs, but sometimes it falls behind in version.
I would really prefer if there were some way to configure portage to only use an overlay for certain packages. I really only care to have cairo and libXft built from the overlay ebuilds without all the rest of the xeffects KDE stuff. |
When I used the overlay, after updating it, I would go into the overlay directories and remove all of the ones I didn't want. I just left the cairo and libXft directories. |
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mwhitlock
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| yabbadabbadont wrote: | | When I used the overlay, after updating it, I would go into the overlay directories and remove all of the ones I didn't want. I just left the cairo and libXft directories. |
I know that would work, but all the stuff I deleted would show up again the next time I updated my copy of the overlay. I wonder... what happens if I do 'svn rm' instead of just plain 'rm'. Maybe if the directories in my working copy are marked for deletion, they won't reappear when I update. |
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elkhunter
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Thanks mwhitlock. I removed 10-autohint.conf to match yours, then removed the DPI and UseEdidDpi entries from my xorg.conf and rebooted and things look better. (I had added the latter two based on the info at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts). Not sure which change fixed the blurry issue but it's much better (although I still dont think its quite as sharp as when I boot into windows).
A few more quick questions: do you have anything in /etc/fonts/local.conf and what display manager do you use? I'm using kdm but the fonts there still look horrible. Also is there a fix to clean up the fonts in open office -- they still look terrible?
Thanks again. |
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mwhitlock
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| elkhunter wrote: | Thanks mwhitlock. I removed 10-autohint.conf to match yours, then removed the DPI and UseEdidDpi entries from my xorg.conf and rebooted and things look better. (I had added the latter two based on the info at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts). Not sure which change fixed the blurry issue but it's much better (although I still dont think its quite as sharp as when I boot into windows).
A few more quick questions: do you have anything in /etc/fonts/local.conf and what display manager do you use? I'm using kdm but the fonts there still look horrible. Also is there a fix to clean up the fonts in open office -- they still look terrible?
Thanks again. |
I let X detect and use the physical DPI of my monitor. (It detects 101x101 dpi for my Dell 30".) Letting X use your physical DPI means that fonts will display at their correct physical sizes. For example, a 72-point font when rendered on my computer and displayed on my monitor is exactly 1 inch tall because I let X use my hardware DPI instead of overriding it with some other number.
If you want fonts to be as sharp as they are on Windows, you'll have to turn on hinting. I have hinting disabled because I prefer glyphs to have accurate shapes at the expense of sharpness. If you prefer stems to be nailed to the pixel grid, you should enable hinting, preferably using the byte-code interpreter (BCI), which executes the hints encoded in the font files. I find that even with the newspr patches, hinted fonts still don't look as good as they do with ClearType on Windows. My unhinted fonts look approximately like fonts look on Mac OS X, which also prefers glyph accuracy over sharpness.
I use kdm, too, and yeah, the fonts look terrible on the login screen. Fortunately, I only have to look at that for a few seconds when booting up my computer, and I only do that maybe once a month. Probably I could get those fonts to look good by flipping some of the fontconfig files using 'eselect fontconfig' (or just adjusting the symlinks in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ manually). I haven't care to do that because, as I said, I only have to look at that screen momentarily.
I don't use OpenOffice, so I don't know how to help you there. |
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MM23
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Is there any way to do this now that xeffects is dead?
I can't stand the default freetype/Xft rendering... |
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natros
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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too bad xeffects is dead, gentoo is dead, i'm moving to ubuntu  |
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bunder
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| natros wrote: | | gentoo is dead |
(OT) people have been saying that for years. 
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natros
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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<OT>maybe is not dead but i have seen better days</OT>
xeffects is down, http://wiki.gentoo-xeffects.org/ is down, where can i get the ebuilds? |
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billydv
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Boniek, since you were maintaining the cairo and libxft packages in xeffects, maybe you should setup an overlay with just those two packages so that all of us using you font rendering methods can simply use your overlay. How hard can it be to maintain an overlay with 2 packages? Unfortunately I don't know whats involved in setting up an overlay.
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GoofyX
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| billydv wrote: | | Boniek, since you were maintaining the cairo and libxft packages in xeffects, maybe you should setup an overlay... |
Yes, but before that, I would first like Boniek to tell us if he still maintains the overlay and/or is willing to spend time on maintaining it. There have been a lot of posts here that make me wonder (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) if Boniek is still "alive" (in the sense that he maintains xeffects).
It's a shame these patches don't get in the core...
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billydv
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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GoofyX, Boniek was not maintaining xeffects, he simply made some additions with regards to the cairo and libxft ebuilds. He is definitely around as he answered a post of mine just a couple of weeks ago. He also recently updated a cairo ebuild which is posted on the previous page I believe.
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Emopig
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Forget about overlays, if you want these patches install "portage-bashrc-ng" from
gechi's overlay and then use the autopatch module to apply whatever patches you want.
| Code: | andrew@ziggy ~ $ ls -lhR /usr/portage/local/patches/x11-libs/
/usr/portage/local/patches/x11-libs/:
total 8.0K
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2007-12-10 11:56 cairo
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2007-12-10 11:56 libXft
/usr/portage/local/patches/x11-libs/cairo:
total 28K
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22K 2007-12-10 11:48 cairo-1.4.12-lcd-filter-1.patch
/usr/portage/local/patches/x11-libs/libXft:
total 28K
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22K 2007-12-10 11:55 libXft-2.1.12-lcd-filter.patch |
| Code: | andrew@ziggy ~ $ eselect bashrc-ng list
Available bashrc modules:
[1] autopatch on
[2] distclean off
[3] localepurge off
[4] oldtmpfs off
[5] perpackage off
[6] resumemerge off
[7] tmpfs off |
Then I just use Cairo and libXft from the portage tree. The above patch files are just from PLD Linux's repo's:
| Code: | http://cvs.pld-linux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/SOURCES/cairo-1.2.4-lcd-filter-1.patch
http://cvs.pld-linux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/SOURCES/xorg-lib-libXft-lcd-filter.patch |
I do wish Ubuntu's patches were split out, not rolled into one uber diff patch...
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Emopig
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Since some people seem interested in what Ubuntu are doing in this regard...
The latest change log to Cairo on Ubuntu's packages says:
| Code: | + * Replace Ubuntu's lcd patch by patch from Freedesktop bug #10301
+ - drop debian/patches/02-cairo-1.4.8-lcd-filter-2.dpatch
+ - add debian/patches/02-lcd_filter_freedesktop_bug10301.patch |
Cairo patch: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10301
Fontconfig patch: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13566
The patch Ubuntu is using for libXft seems to be a version of David Turners patch
"with additional modification that the specific LCD Filter can be changed."
For convenience I've extracted this from the libxft2 (2.1.12-2ubuntu4) package
that is queued for the release of Hardy Heron. Here:
http://pastebin.ca/raw/845690
To summarise:
If you want Ubuntu gutsy/hardy font rendering you need to patch libXft, Cairo
and Fontconfig (a small patch). You do not need to patch Freetype.
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Emopig
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PLD vs Ubuntu's libXft patch
Just so everyone knows Ubuntu's libXft2 patch is only slightly different to the PLD Linux patches in that it adds more fontconfig options. As far as I can tell tell, there are no differences to the algorithms!
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Emopig
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, time to see what kind of chaos I can cause...
| Code: | ziggy libXft # echo ">=x11-libs/cairo-1.5.2" >>/etc/portage/package.unmask
ziggy libXft # emerge -avt --oneshot libXft cairo fontconfig
These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild U ] x11-libs/cairo-1.5.4-r1 [1.4.12] USE="X glitz opengl svg xcb -debug -directfb -doc -test%" 3,207 kB
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/libXft-2.1.12 USE="-debug" 255 kB
[ebuild R ] media-libs/fontconfig-2.5.0-r1 USE="xml -doc" 1,353 kB
Total: 3 packages (1 upgrade, 2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 4,814 kB |
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Emopig
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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All seems well for now. Good luck people!
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bosele
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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would you please make the patched files available somewhere, i just can't get it to work.
prettyplease? |
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boniek
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yabbadabbadont
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| boniek wrote: | I'm visiting this thread from time to time so you could say I'm alive  I will try to make simple overlay with font related ebuilds over this weekend so stay tuned . |
That would be much appreciated. |
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bosele
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| thanks, that would be great |
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billydv
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Boniek!!!! Thats the spirit!!!!
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