Need to move to 1.2 ISO officially

DesertMadman · n00b Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 15

The portage on 1.1a ISO is no longer supported, and enough of the stuff on the stage 1-3 is aged out as well (old kernel, etc).

I was bragging to a friend about how snappy Gentoo was, but I installed the day 1.1.a was oficially announced. He tried the install off my CD, and said it failed (it was portage that failed - I walked him thru the manual process).

When will 1.2 be updated and oficially supported - and the "current" ISOs be changed to 1.2 instead of the 1.1a? (And the 1.1a and older stuff be deprecated).

I know Gentoo 2.0 is going to wait on Portage 2.0, but can we at least have an interim release to bring up the "default" ISO's to current standards (2.4.19 kernel, KDE3, latest portage, etc)?

Cr0t · l33t Joined: 27 Apr 2002 Posts: 944 Location: USA

sounds good to me. I installed gentoo on my Laptop and I was running into a portage problem...
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Zu` · l33t Joined: 26 May 2002 Posts: 716 Location: BE

I agree with fghellar

Change your rsync mirror properly in /etc/make.conf and you won't have any problems with Portage. As for 1.1a not being up-to-date, emerge rsync makes it up-to-date!

There's not really a reason to use 1.2 instead of 1.1a and I guess that's why there are no ISO's!
I've installed with 1.1a fine here.

Anyway, good luck with your gentoo box but read a bit first.

Greets

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wbward · n00b Joined: 27 May 2002 Posts: 8

Personally, although I agree the Install instructions should be updated, I feel like if a "new user" can't search and over come the Portage / Rsync / Sync problem he probably is better off giving up there and finding a different distro. Gentoo isn't for those folks that need a hand holding step by step install (IMO) its for those people with brains enough to figure it out themselves. This distro gives all the power to the administrator with that power comes the price tag (you have to know how to use it). Personally I love Gentoo it challenges me to work at making things right instead of giving things too me that are so generic that they will no doubt work anywhere (just terribly slow and bloated).

Just my 2cents and a personal opinion...

wbward

fghellar · Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:02 pm Post subject:

DesertMadman · n00b Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 15

Well, my whole point wasnt that *I* needed an update (Running Gentoo you learn a TON about the way Linux really works - or doesnt :wink:

), its that new users might need one.

The whole point is to get people using a source based Linux distribution, not to be snobs about how well we can overcome deficiencies in the setup CD. After all, "truly elite hackers" :twisted:

would not use a "distro", they'd be using a "roll your own" LFS setup with patches and mods all over the place, and if you want to mess with setups and quirks that stand in the way of customizing things, RedHat has a distro just for you. :lol:

What I was looking for had to be (when conservatively managed) as solid as Mandrake, versatile as Slackware, and somewhere between Debian and LFS in terms of a "cutting edge" distribution. And it had to be source based so I could make it as fast or stable (sometime mutually exclusive) as I wanted.

Gentoo gives me almost 100% on all those things I wanted. And to the "if they cant look it up they shouldnt use Gentoo", thats a pretty poor and elitist attitude to take toward potential comrades and Gentoo converts.

Everyone that converts to Gentoo has to be a "noob" to this distro at some time - no sense it making it uneccesarily hard due to snobbery or "eliteness".

I'd prefer the distribution to convert more users, even if it means something as "non-elitist" as maintaining a monthly or quarterly "current ISO" builds for stage 1 thru 3 (kinda like the Debian rsync image builder). For new users, make the setup and install up to date and fairly reliable, THEN let them learn the intracacies of running a source based linux meta-distro.

IMHO, Gentoo is not about the setup, its about what happens afterward. So lets fix the setup to keep up.

Target · Apprentice Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Posts: 200

I'm not going to take some kind of emotional stance here, but I have to agree on one point:

Nothing should be broken by default. It's easily avoidable, and should be.

fghellar

Al'Capone · Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:46 pm Post subject:

Uhmm... i think Desertman has one valid point here folks "if my friend John Doe only has one computer and I give him the Gentoo ISO he is pretty much SOL , since after booting and fdisk his machine or should i say his hda is gonzo no data How is he going to search the forums for the relevant info on changing the rsync mirrors?

Geeks like us with 3 or more computers have no problems

i ususally install gentoo while having all relevant docs displayed on my other computers for quick reference checking, however not everyone has more than one computer and in that case the new user will be lost since the current ISO does have the wrong rsync mirrors listed.

a quick solution is to modify the current ISO to reflect the changes and then hand it over to your friend or print out the instructions on how to change your rsync mirrors and give it to your friend with the ISO that way everyone is happy :wink:

Hope that helped

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Scandium · Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:19 pm Post subject:

Well, since today 1.2 ISOs are really there but I'd suggest to wait as perhaps they change something again before they officially announce it (very unlikely IMHO because the tbz2's weren't changed for weeks, too)

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fghellar · Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:36 pm Post subject:

AutoBot · l33t Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 968 Location: Usually Out

You guys checked out gcc3 based 1.3a iso's out now?, I downloaded the stage 1 and it seems to bootstrap ok but thats about far as I've been since my time is limited lately.
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rasmus · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 14 Jul 2002 Posts: 78

First, a few words about the rsync issue. I ran into it and felt bad about it. After all, I'd just blown up my perfeclty working slackware-based gateway so I could install some new bleeding edge distro on it, so I was without internet. But really, it's not that much of an issue, I guessed that there should be a machine called rsync.gentoo.org or so, and it did! After all, you gentoo folks could wery well have called it gonzo.gentoo.org or gentoo.microsoft.com

or something like that, in which case all would have been lost.

rac · Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 9:37 am Post subject:

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