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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:03 pm    Post subject: Jaanipäev (St John's Day) are the most important day. Reply with quote

The short summers with brief nights hold special significance for the people of Estonia. Jaanipäev follows the longest day (21 June) of the year, or the Summer Equinox, when night seems to be non-existent.
The night of 23 June is the eve of Jaanipäev, the climax of midsummer events. It's considered a night of magical powers and the traditional way of celebrating it is to head out into the countryside to dance, sing and make merry around bonfires, and seek the mystical fern flower which is said to only bloom that night and bring luck to anyone who finds it. Many Estonians take a holiday during the week around Jaanipäev.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy Jaanipäev!

I know that Sweden and Norway celebrate midsummer too. Most the same way as Estonians do :)

Oh, I almost forgot an important part of the celebrations in Norway and Sweden, is to get as drunk as possible :)

The date is special to me, I got married on June 23rd 1986 and divorced the biatch 10 years later :) Oh well... we all do mistakes I guess.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Jaanipäev (St John's Day) are the most important day. Reply with quote

Oh, almost forgot:

Jaanipäev was celebrated long before the arrival of Christianity in Estonia, although the day was given its name by the crusaders. The arrival of Christianity, however, did not end pagan beliefs and fertility rituals surrounding this holiday. In 1578, with some disgust, Balthasar Rüssow wrote in his Livonian Chronicle about Estonians who placed more importance on the festival than going to church. He complained about those who went to church, but did not enter, and instead spending their time lighting bonfires, drinking, dancing, singing and following pagan rituals.

For Estonians, Jaanipäev celebrations were merged with the celebration of Võidupüha (Victory Day) during the War of Independence when Estonian forces defeated the German troops on 23 June 1919. After this battle against Estonia's traditional oppressors, Jaaniõhtu and the lighting of the traditional bonfires became linked with the ideals independence and freedom.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI, there are summer solstice celebrations in Alaska, e.g.:

http://www.explorenorth.com/library/aktravel/bl-solstice.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of my mates went to Stonehenge for the Solstice. Pretty cool. :-D
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midnight Summer (juhannus in Finnish) is also celebrated in Finland. People goes to their cottages and eat sausages fried in bonfire and drink alcohol.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Jaanipäev (St John's Day) are the most important day. Reply with quote

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For Estonians, Jaanipäev celebrations were merged with the celebration of Võidupüha (Victory Day) during the War of Independence when Estonian forces defeated the German troops on 23 June 1919.


Võidupüha is the celebration of victory over Russia!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Jaanipäev (St John's Day) are the most important day. Reply with quote

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antik wrote:
For Estonians, Jaanipäev celebrations were merged with the celebration of Võidupüha (Victory Day) during the War of Independence when Estonian forces defeated the German troops on 23 June 1919.


Võidupüha is the celebration of victory over Russia!!!


Yes we beat russians too, but 23 june is victory over Landeswehr.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Jaanipäev (St John's Day) are the most important day. Reply with quote

antik wrote:
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antik wrote:
For Estonians, Jaanipäev celebrations were merged with the celebration of Võidupüha (Victory Day) during the War of Independence when Estonian forces defeated the German troops on 23 June 1919.


Võidupüha is the celebration of victory over Russia!!!


Yes we beat russians too, but 23 june is victory over Landeswehr.


võibolla peaksid sa siiski ajalugu paremini tundma õppima? et mis on eesti iseseisvuse aluseks ja milline leping millise sõja lõppedes sai praegu taasiseseisvuse aluseks?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: Jaanipäev (St John's Day) are the most important day. Reply with quote

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antik wrote:
variable wrote:
antik wrote:
For Estonians, Jaanipäev celebrations were merged with the celebration of Võidupüha (Victory Day) during the War of Independence when Estonian forces defeated the German troops on 23 June 1919.


Võidupüha is the celebration of victory over Russia!!!


Yes we beat russians too, but 23 june is victory over Landeswehr.


võibolla peaksid sa siiski ajalugu paremini tundma õppima? et mis on eesti iseseisvuse aluseks ja milline leping millise sõja lõppedes sai praegu taasiseseisvuse aluseks?


http://www.maaleht.ee/LEHT/2000/06/22/kultuur.html wrote:
23. juuni on Eestimaal suur pidupäev. Süüdatakse tuled, süüakse rahvuslikku jaanitoitu šašlõkki, juuakse jaanijooki õlut ja uljamad hüppavad üle lõkkegi.

Tartu Ülikooli eesti ajaloo õppetooli dotsent Ago Pajur, miks on too päev meile esmatähtis jaanilaupäeva, aga mitte võidupühana?

Küllap sel lihtsal põhjusel, et võidupüha traditsioon on meil õige lühiajaline. Seda hakati üldrahvalikult tähistama alles 1934. aastast ja jõuti teha vaid viie aasta jooksul. Siis tulid pöördelised sündmused peale ja võidupüha enam ei tähistatud. Nüüd pole suudetud seda traditsiooni uuesti ellu viia.

Kuidas 1934–39 võidupüha tähistati?

Vaikiva ajastu tingimustes käis see väga pidulikult: president süütas isiklikult võidutule ja jagas laiali kaitseliitlastele, kes viisid selle mootorratastel, nahkriietes ja sinimustvalgete lehvides mööda maakondi laiali. Seal omakorda jaotati tuli valdadele ja küladele. Korraldati ka paraade, miitinguid, aktusi ja rongkäike.

Kuidas seletaksite tänapäeva koolipoisile võidupüha tähtsust?

Võidupüha tähendus tänapäeval on midagi muud kui 30. aastatel. Siis oli see ühelt poolt mõeldud rahvusliku ühtekuuluvustunde süvendamiseks, teiselt poolt peeti väga tähtsaks, et just sakslased Landeswehri sõjas puruks löödi.

Tänapäeval pole enam aga heaks tooniks rääkida, et sakslasi on purustatud või nendega sõditud. Seega polegi praegu enam tähtis, et see on Landeswehri sõjas saavutatud võidu püha.

Sel päeval võiks meenutada ja mälestada kõiki Vabadussõja-aegseid ohvreid. Seda enam et 20–30ndatel oli mitmeid Vabadussõjaga seotud tähtpäevi, nagu langenute mälestuspäev, Tartu rahu aastapäev, Vabadussõja alguspäev, linna või alevi vabastamispäevad. Neist pole aga enam midagi alles jäänud.

Kui vaadata Landeswehri sõda tagantjärele tarkusega ja laiemas kui ainult Eesti kontekstis, siis võib öelda, et ega seda sõda tegelikult vaja olnud, tegemist oli kahetsusväärse intsidendiga. Omal ajal oli see mõistagi suur võit 700aastase orjapõlve lõpetamiseks ja Balti parunite purustamiseks.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hypnos wrote:
FYI, there are summer solstice celebrations in Alaska, e.g.:

http://www.explorenorth.com/library/aktravel/bl-solstice.htm


Yes, but they do not seem to have the spritual elements of the Baltic ones---even though our days are longer. More like the marathon in Anchorage, golf at midnight, fishing round the clock. Gathering on mountain tops at midnight --- with beer.

It used to be cool in Fairbanks (well stifiningly hot really) at this time 'cause they had 5:00 a. m. last call, but the Fighters for Virtue took that away.

Of course in Anchorage, to get drunk at 4:30 a. m., all you have to do is drive 50 miles to Wasilla---which I am sure really helps with our DUI problem.

It's twenty to midnight now, and I could still easly read a newspaper outside. I only seem to want to move in the winter. Which is three weeks away or so.

Here is a typical view of Anchorage off of Google Images:
[img:3f6f40d556]http://www.bonairwine.com/world/namerica/anchorage.JPG[/img:3f6f40d556]
As for military victories, up here, we are all the heroes of many a well fought bottle.
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