wtf? Is everything going wrong at gentoo?

cokey · Advocate Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355

Pretty much, flameeyes, one of the best gentoo devs EVER is leaving:

http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/02/18/im-tired-of-being-insulted

from reading -dev and looking at CIA every now and again i can see that he wasd one of the hardest devs around and will be greatly missed
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I`m really gonna miss him.
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anello · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject:

damn! Its getting worse and worse. Why isn't the council or devrel or whatever is responisible to supervise finally taking measures? He isn't the first to complain about that situtation ...
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wah · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:

I was sad to hear this as well...I always enjoyed reading Diego's blog entries, as they were very informative.

Good luck Diego! Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
W.
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cokey · Advocate Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355

Voltago · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject:

cokehabit, since you yourself are no stranger to flaming, I feel that kind of post coming from you is a bit hypocritical.

anello · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject:

blubbi · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:

farewell flameeyes

It's not the first dev which got "mobbed" out and I guess if the "responsible" persons woun't change their behavior, he will not be the last.
Gentoo structure is build up on such devs like flameeyes and it's not a good habit du scare them away!

So go an think about your "education"!

regards
blubbi

yngwin · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject:

This is outrage! Flameeyes has been one of the best developers we have had. It will be a great loss to see him leave. And with jakub thinking of doing the same, I think Gentoo is in real trouble. It is so sad to see such a lack of leadership in this distro we all love.
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blubbi · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject:

Full Ack!

I guess some devs just forgett about "social behavior" while they ar sitting over their code.

It's a really sad path we are on right now.

amne · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:

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rhill · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject:

We're screwed.
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think4urs11 · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject:

TheCoop · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject:

will enough people really get their heads out of their asses to have that constructive conversation/debate, or will gentoo die the death of a thousand forks?

What gentoo needs is the ppl causing all the problems (dunno who those are, really...) to be kicked out, cvs access revoked, etc etc. But thats not going to happen.
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think4urs11 · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject:

Voltago · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject:

blubbi · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject:

I guess the big problem is that you can not punish someone for mobbing out others.

Everybody is working for free on a project, so if one got mobbed out, you throw the evel one out too... it ends up in -2 devs for gentoo... not good.

Some "institution" of thrusted, respected and fairminded users/devs should arbitrate.... I guess that was what uerrel/devrrel was intended to do, wan't it? But this idea implies that the attacked dev seeks contact to "the institution"... would you? Wouldn't it let you look like a child crying for you mom?

Quite complicated the whole situation.

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TheCoop · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject:

I suspect there's no easy answer to fix it. And devs would be loath to implement any deep changes to How Things Are Done, even if it alienates the community, which is what gentoo was based on in the first place
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cokey · Advocate Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355

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Maybe developers could be added to a "sin bin" or something?

There also seems to be a complete lack of willingness to admit there is a problem.

Also it seems that -core just exists so devs can have a shouting match, if there wasn't an invisible list to the users then maybe people would think twice about saying something
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aidanjt · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:33 am Post subject:

I agree, there's a massive delrel problem, even though I can't chat in -dev, I still sometimes go there to weigh up the form. Often I see needless, childlike bickering and huff-motivated kick/bans, particularly coming from a 'developer' who likes to talk a lot without much substance to back it up. When I see the internal bickering of developers it makes me not want to bother to file bugs or submit ebuilds, I don't see how this mess is left to grow into a damn fine developer leaving because devrel is on side of the provocator, everyone should be kicking up stink, and left nameless person should be dealt with seriously.

steveL · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: