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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sonicbhoc wrote:
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yeah but ubuntus so easy
I stopped reading right there. Easy and better are not synonymous.
it is if you are looking for something easy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will reply to that statement in the following manner:

http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/winstupid/winstupid1.php
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/userfriendly/userfriendly1.php
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you will be back in 2-3 days :))
i guarantee
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im lost, haha. Are we talking about me still? I dont like ubutntu cuz its easy... Im confued what the replys are about?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add me to the list of people who went

Gentoo > Ubuntu > Back to Gentoo

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stmiller,

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
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Good luck. I actually thought you left years ago, as I hadn't perceived you posting any more.
I thought the same thing of Rac.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried Gentoo about 1.5 years ago and got frustrated and gave up. I decided about a week ago to give it another shot. I must say, it is MUCH better than it was back then. It took me less than a day to get a system up to a point where I had all the apps installed that I was running in Ubuntu (and running much faster). I felt comfortable enough to blow away my Ubuntu install. Good work Gentoo team!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swooshOnLn wrote:
I don't like the idea of Ubuntu/Gentoo on the same forum. No offense to anybody, but it seems like that would attract alot of script kiddies (haha), and that the forum would just be slowed down for us Gentoo users :-p

But really, its better to keep the separate, ones source, ones binary.


Ubuntu is full of people who have no clue about what they are doing. A lot of them are "script kiddies". I don't know why anyone would like to receive all this baggage in their forum.

After all ubuntu was created with those people in mind. It has it's merits.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To steal a line from Mutt, "all Linux distros suck. Gentoo sucks less."
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm.. ubuntu, ive tried it, but i must say that i think gentoo i superior, scripts for configuration and documentation is much better imho.
neither would a install ubuntu when they are switching to proprietary drivers, giving up freedom for usability is (imo) wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

float- wrote:
hmm.. ubuntu, ive tried it, but i must say that i think gentoo i superior, scripts for configuration and documentation is much better imho.
neither would a install ubuntu when they are switching to proprietary drivers, giving up freedom for usability is (imo) wrong.


In defense of Ubuntu, and other distros- there is nothing wrong with including proprietary drivers. Heck- I yearn for the day when I can go to Bestbuy and purchase a TV card, pro audio sound card, wifi card, or other device that includes Linux drivers from the manufac, with support.

I don't really want Linux to live in the dark alleys of the computer world. I would love to see manufac support, and this means yes *gasp!* proprietary drivers.

FWIW I recently learned that even Gentoo has proprietary stuff in portage. Such as vmware. Oh no! There goes our freedom!

I'm using PPC Gentoo and would love to have Macromedia Flash, actual ATI ppc linux drivers, among other things. You may enjoy browsing the web with Links, having no 3D, no DVD playback, and no mp3 playback, but not me.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stmiller wrote:
float- wrote:
hmm.. ubuntu, ive tried it, but i must say that i think gentoo i superior, scripts for configuration and documentation is much better imho.
neither would a install ubuntu when they are switching to proprietary drivers, giving up freedom for usability is (imo) wrong.


In defense of Ubuntu, and other distros- there is nothing wrong with including proprietary drivers. Heck- I yearn for the day when I can go to Bestbuy and purchase a TV card, pro audio sound card, wifi card, or other device that includes Linux drivers from the manufac, with support.

I don't really want Linux to live in the dark alleys of the computer world. I would love to see manufac support, and this means yes *gasp!* proprietary drivers.

FWIW I recently learned that even Gentoo has proprietary stuff in portage. Such as vmware. Oh no! There goes our freedom!

I'm using PPC Gentoo and would love to have Macromedia Flash, actual ATI ppc linux drivers, among other things. You may enjoy browsing the web with Links, having no 3D, no DVD playback, and no mp3 playback, but not me.


there is a big difference, in gentoo you have the option to install it or not, in ubuntu it comes preinstalled.

i am a PPC user myself so i know what you are talking about, however i still consider free (as in freedom) alternatives, gnash and dri are good examples for this.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: Goodbye, Gentoo Reply with quote

I found the reasons the op was leaving quite interesting:
Naan Yaar wrote:
The main reasons for this change are a lack of time to deal with updates that are sometimes adventurous and want of a bit more automation in terms of dealing with my system.

Hopefully the proposed semi-frozen release trees will deal with the first problem. And that should leave a whole lot more time to sort the second one out :)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont update Gentoo for a year or so, then you basically have Ubuntu
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diezel wrote:
And even RPM:s work theese days. Yum works like a charm at work. We use CentOS in about 90% of our routers and Linux servers and never had any problems with them.
The dependency hell was years and years ago, you can setup a good desktop with just about any modern RH based distro by adding a few repos.
Also Ubuntu family works great.
Still I guess I should STFU since I use Gentoo myself ;)


I don't agree at all with this statement. All depend of what you are doing with your binary linux. If you are happy with the programs included with the distribution, it have never been some rpm or deb hell. But, and it is a big but, with rpm, as fast at you are using alternatif depositories, you will get soon or later some dependency hell.

With a debian based system, if you are using the stable version of debian, all is fine, but don't expect to have an up to date system. With testing, soon or later, you will have to wait weeks in order to install a software, because the devs are in the way to upgrade some important system part (glibc, whatever) and the dependencies of the whole thing get broken in case of upgrade. In such case, you can try to switch to unstable... that will be almost as up to date as gentoo, but without the capabilitiy to mix the software branch as with portage, all will be unstable.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

compres wrote:

A lot of them are "script kiddies". I don't know why anyone would like to receive all this baggage in their forum.
After all ubuntu was created with those people in mind. It has it's merits.


No, Ubuntu was not created for script kiddies - more for generic computer users which need the usual apps (OpenOffice, web browser, some graphics tools, educational software..). Its ease of deployment make it easier to roll it out for schools, offices and basic home use).

To put it bluntly, would you insall Gentoo for your mom?

I also went the Gentoo->Ubuntu->Gentoo route; I found that on my home PC I need something a little more powerful.
Besides, I like tweaking my box under the hood to get it to the point I want it to be.

Personal profile: I am a game addict (DeusEx + mods)
And I enjoy anything network-related, e.g experimenting with DSCP markers, running my own BGP (private) peering to keep an eye on the 'net, etc.

Boy I like Gentoo!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SkizoidMan,

SkizoidMan wrote:
To put it bluntly, would you insall Gentoo for your mom?

Nope, I wouldn't need to. My 78 year old mum is quite capable of doing a Gentoo install using the command line.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-ya in a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sonaatti wrote:
Dont update Gentoo for a year or so, then you basically have Ubuntu

Maybe in the sense of convenience, although we are talking about every 6 months, but it'd be a gentoo system, with all the configuration and tweakability that implies, which we so love 8)

In any case, once it's set up there's nothing stopping you keeping certain pkgs up to date. I'd guess most users, devs or not, are really only interested in a very limited subset of the available software. In the meantime, all the stuff you don't particularly care about would just work and you could easily upgrade when the release came out.

To my mind, that'd be the ideal solution given development constraints.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm for proprietary drivers at the moment. I would rather see a larger user base for linux. At least that way, we would have some clout with the manufacturers. Sacrifice a little now and gain more later.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to agree. You've got to give to get.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Nope, I wouldn't need to. My 78 year old mum is quite capable of doing a Gentoo install using the command line.
Holy shit, actually?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G2k,

Yep actually, shes been playing with computers for about 50 years
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be back as they all said. I've been stuck in Ubuntu for a couple of months while getting around to fixing my gentoo box. Now that it is up and running, it's time to replace the XP partition on the laptop with gentoo.
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