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Should X 7.1 still be testing only because of closed source drivers (ati/nvidia)? |
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sofachillax n00b
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 70
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kensai wrote: | slycordinator wrote: | And I think you misunderstood what I meant: Someone can create a non-gnu OS that is still a linux because it uses the linux kernel. I wasn't meaning that the person would be using a non-gnu linux kernel (as there's no such thing). |
Very true. I don't know why people bow to RMS he surely does defend OpenSource and thats good but what he makes other than making a fool out of himself going to an ATI conference and trying to make a riot out of it. So good that a poliece man took him out of there. A riot is never the best option you can't preassure companies that way. Sooner or later those companies will realize if GNU/Linux is of value enough to be paid even more attention.
IMHO I think that will happen with a lot of companies and they are going to be more Linux oriented. |
riot? the fsf website tells me something different. he sat in that conference and was asked by a policeman to come with him and he loudly asked whether he would be arrested. after agreeing to the organizers' terms of not interrupting the conference (which he did not violate in the first place) he was allowed to sit back in.
what have you done to prevent closed source kernel modules? wait and hope? at least he does something about it. what's so bad about that? |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Come on you think being sit there holding something that says "DON'T BUY FROM ATI enemy of your freedom" was asking for a peacefull reaction of ATI and RMS supporting people. Please riots are made sometimes for less than that. What has he done to prevent closed source kernel modules? sit and hope? Companies does not change their mind because of things like this, we need to show them Linux is about maturity not about RMS trying to get attention in every corner.
On topic, NVIDIA has said the next driver is going to be released soon at least that the conclusion you make after an NVIDIA developer said they are already in the planning and development of the 9xxx series of drivers for Linux which will have a lot of nice features, like adjusting resolution from the nvidia-settings and more nvidia-settings capabilities. _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Sorry if I'm being a bit too anally-retentive about the wording here, but... Kensai wrote: | RMS he surely does defend OpenSource | RMS could care less about Open Source. He's a Free software advocate; and while the two idealogical movements usually cooperate in practice to develop and maintain lots of cool software, they are based on very different fundamental beliefs. Please see the GNU project's article for more information. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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codergeek42 wrote: | Sorry if I'm being a bit too anally-retentive about the wording here, but... Kensai wrote: | RMS he surely does defend OpenSource | RMS could care less about Open Source. He's a Free software advocate; and while the two idealogical movements usually cooperate in practice to develop and maintain lots of cool software, they are based on very different fundamental beliefs. Please see the GNU project's article for more information. |
Well I failed to use the right word but thats what I mean so it was a mistake I meant FSF. Strongly agree about he does not care about OpenSource. _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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legine Guru
Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
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9xxx drivers?
cool! _________________ quote from Spaceballs:
Dark Helmet:[...] we were told to comb the desert, so we're combing it! [puts down bullhorn] Find anything yet?!
Soldier: Nothing yet, sir. |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:04 am Post subject: |
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legine wrote: | 9xxx drivers?
cool! |
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=958344
This thread speaks about that. _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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legine Guru
Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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bookmarked!!!
Very good link ty. _________________ quote from Spaceballs:
Dark Helmet:[...] we were told to comb the desert, so we're combing it! [puts down bullhorn] Find anything yet?!
Soldier: Nothing yet, sir. |
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ofeet n00b
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 61 Location: Utah
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: Run with the newest stuff! |
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When you get the ABI modules mismatch (when trying to run X) you just add the tag ignoreABI
you can run the newest nvidia drivers on xorg 7.1 just do this:
Code: | startx -- -ignoreABI |
for those of you wanting to do xlg/compiz stuff, you can make a startxgl based off of the gentoo-wiki info. Here's a link: http://gentoo-wiki.com/XGL
Just for those of you who need extra help (like me) here's what I emerged...
Code: | emerge -C xorg-server
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" emerge nvidia-drivers
startx -- -ignoreABI |
just a note- nvidia-drivers is masked (i think) so use your architecture to unmask. if you are unsure of your arch, use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"
Hope this helps people! _________________ I have nothing witty or brilliant to put here... /tear |
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hpestilence Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 82
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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jwj wrote: | The nvidia 8774 drivers are on the ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/ FTP Server.
Changelog:
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* Added support for X.Org 7.1.
* Added support for XVideo with the Composite X extension when
using X.Org 7.1.
* Improved interaction with newer Linux kernels.
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nvidia drivers released!! _________________ When the plague descends from Heaven above only Darkness will be your one true ally. |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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YAY!!!! one big hug to nvidia a great driver that supports Xorg 7.1 now to take Xorg 7.1 from /etc/portage/package.mask/ _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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Headrush Watchman
Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 5597 Location: Bizarro World
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Kensai wrote: | YAY!!!! one big hug to nvidia a great driver that supports Xorg 7.1 now to take Xorg 7.1 from /etc/portage/package.mask/ |
So far this driver seems as stable as the previous version so I'm going to unmask the updated xorg-7.1 parts and see how it goes. |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Headrush wrote: | Kensai wrote: | YAY!!!! one big hug to nvidia a great driver that supports Xorg 7.1 now to take Xorg 7.1 from /etc/portage/package.mask/ |
So far this driver seems as stable as the previous version so I'm going to unmask the updated xorg-7.1 parts and see how it goes. |
This changes needs to be made upstream though aince Xorg 7.1 still does not have the nvidia use flag as of this writing. _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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Ibn al-Hazardous Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 133 Location: Somewhere deep in the desert.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Gr3ml1n wrote: | slycordinator wrote: | gr3ml1n wrote: | i don't understand how people over here can stab richard stallman in the back like this. they really don't understand the philosophy OR history of gnu and should maybe go to windows, mac or bsd and stop whining. linux is gpled and it therefore will always be gpled software. linus knew it when he released it under that license. |
This is completely untrue. Just because the kernel is gpl doesn't mean every piece of software is gpl too.
Since you've been focussing on the "GNU/Linux" versus just "Linux" debate... couldn't someone release a NON-GNU Linux? And they could even name it Lindows and later change it to Linspire.
Anything that uses the Linux kernel is a Linux. For instance, if windows stopped using an NT-kernel and used the Linux kernel Windows would be a form of Linux. |
omg q-_-p
no, nobody can release a non-gnu linux. since it is under gpl and that license is designed to stay and spread.
but anybody who makes a new kernel can make a non-linux gnu os. besides, linus torvalds holds the trade mark "Linux". and linspire sux. |
(Ok, this is old - but I can't resist.)
The "GNU" in "GNU/Linux" is the GNU toolchain - which is copyright by the GNU project. The reason RMS thought this was significant was that the Linux userland depends on the GNU toolchain, and it is his (in the same sense Linux is Linus'). The reason everybody else thought this was silly (except Debian people) was because there is so much more to a Linux distro (eg X.org), and in that case you had better call it X.org/MIT/GNU/Linux/Sun/Mozilla (slightly paraphrasing Alan Cox). So it's not a question of Free/free/non-free - but a question of RMS being childish about not being as equal as Linus (and more so than all other contributors).
Anyway, port BSD userland to the Linux kernel - and you can have a Free non-GNU distro.
Excuse me, but I have a driver to install now. _________________ /Ibn |
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VinzC Watchman
Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 5098 Location: Dark side of the mood
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Guys,
A French proverb wrote: | Tout vient à point à qui sait attendre or All things come to him who can wait. |
Morality: while we were all arguing wether good or bad, wether should or shouldn't, wether must or mustn't, wether ethical or political... drivers have come, that finally address the big problem that yielded this discussion.
Implicitly closed to me.
And, yes, there are still ATI's... Soooo? _________________ Gentoo addict: tomorrow I quit, I promise!... Just one more emerge...
1739! |
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batistuta Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 1384 Location: Aachen
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Kensai wrote: | This changes needs to be made upstream though aince Xorg 7.1 still does not have the nvidia use flag as of this writing. |
What does this mean? In other words, does it work or not?
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chrismortimore l33t
Joined: 03 Dec 2005 Posts: 721 Location: Edinburgh, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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VinzC wrote: | And, yes, there are still ATI's... Soooo? | I thought ATI fixed their drivers for 7.1... _________________ Desktop: AMD Athlon64 3800+ Venice Core, 2GB PC3200, 2x160GB 7200rpm Maxtor DiamondMax 10, 2x320GB WD 7200rpm Caviar RE, Nvidia 6600GT 256MB
Laptop: Intel Pentium M, 512MB PC2700, 60GB 5400rpm IBM TravelStar, Nvidia 5200Go 64MB |
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batistuta Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 1384 Location: Aachen
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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VinzC wrote: | Implicitly closed to me. |
Yeah.... R!tman should mark it as [solved] now |
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boroshan l33t
Joined: 16 Apr 2003 Posts: 730 Location: upside down
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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VinzC wrote: | Morality: while we were all arguing wether good or bad, wether should or shouldn't, wether must or mustn't, wether ethical or political... drivers have come, that finally address the big problem that yielded this discussion. |
well.. I dare say some of us would argue that the big problem was never so much the closed driver's incompatibility so much as it was the way in which that problem was addressed. But I've no particular wish to re-open that particular debate right now.
By all means, let's consider this one closed _________________ Don't let THEM immanentize the Eschaton! |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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batistuta wrote: | Kensai wrote: | This changes needs to be made upstream though aince Xorg 7.1 still does not have the nvidia use flag as of this writing. |
What does this mean? In other words, does it work or not? |
No I mean that nvidia ebuild is not yet made and the xorg-server for 7.1 doesn't have the nvidia flag yet again. _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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Kaboosh Apprentice
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Edmonton, AB - Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: Nice... |
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Way to encourage the likes of ATI and NVidia to keep using "proprietary IP" as a control measure...good to see it's working as their IP analysts suggest... |
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filterpunk n00b
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 71 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Nice... |
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Kaboosh wrote: | Way to encourage the likes of ATI and NVidia to keep using "proprietary IP" as a control measure...good to see it's working as their IP analysts suggest... |
Yeah well, when i'm paying $200+ for a video card, it doesn't make a lot of sense to use an alternate driver that can't even handle 3D acceleration. If you want to do so, that's your choice, but if you have such a problem with these companies, then don't buy their products and send a letter to them explaining why. If you are buying from them, how can you criticize anyone for using their drivers while you continue to support them with your dollars? That just seems overwhelmingly hypocritical and sensationalist.
Many of us are just happy they've decided to support Linux/BSD at all because it means we're not stuck using mid-90's cards at 800x600. _________________ Gentoo 2.6.17-r4 AMD64 | AMD Athlon64 3200+ Manchester, 1GB Mushkin PC-3500 Black Hi-Perf Level II, Asus V9999GT 128MB |
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batistuta Veteran
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 1384 Location: Aachen
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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I second filterpunk 100%
Someone can *suggest* me what to use. But please don't *tell* me what to use, that's my choice |
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Kensai Guru
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Nice... |
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Kaboosh wrote: | Way to encourage the likes of ATI and NVidia to keep using "proprietary IP" as a control measure...good to see it's working as their IP analysts suggest... |
As I have stated before, as much as ATI and NVIDIA wants to open source their drivers they can't there are propietary technologies in those drivers that aren't from NVIDIA or ATI. Please go suck on RMS. Another time the LInus Torvalds quote:
Quote: | "Anybody who tells me I can't use a program because it's not open source, go suck on rms. I'm not interested. 99% of that I run tends to be open source, but that's _my_ choice, dammit." (October 26, 2004) -Linus Torvalds |
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WhiteSpade Tux's lil' helper
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kensai wrote: | [the] nvidia ebuild is not yet made and the xorg-server for 7.1 doesn't have the nvidia flag yet again. | The nvidia-drivers (not nvidia-kernel nor nvidia-glx) package is done now. I just --sync-ed and it updated. Now just waiting for the nvidia use flag in Xorg 7.1. I'm really looking forward to this.
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Kensai Guru
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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WhiteSpade wrote: | Kensai wrote: | [the] nvidia ebuild is not yet made and the xorg-server for 7.1 doesn't have the nvidia flag yet again. | The nvidia-drivers (not nvidia-kernel nor nvidia-glx) package is done now. I just --sync-ed and it updated. Now just waiting for the nvidia use flag in Xorg 7.1. I'm really looking forward to this.
---Alex |
Yeah man this is the only thing thats left to the gentoo devs to do. _________________ Gentoo: Gigabyte: nFORCE 2: nVIDIA GeForce 6600: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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