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sternklang
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| younker wrote: | Just a curious, when will compiz support application mode, I enabled trailfocus plugin, but when I use gimp, when I open an effective dialog, the main editor window will be set transparent, I can't view the preview clearly.
So is there a plan to support application mode in compiz? |
Trailfocus isn't part of vanilla compiz, it's one of the plugins added by the QuinnStorm devs. So you might put in a request for this at the compiz forums as I don't recall seeing it discussed there.
Another question is, should compiz try to figure this out, or should the application be compiz-aware and request that its different types of windows be treated in specific ways? |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| younker wrote: | Just a curious, when will compiz support application mode, I enabled trailfocus plugin, but when I use gimp, when I open an effective dialog, the main editor window will be set transparent, I can't view the preview clearly.
So is there a plan to support application mode in compiz? |
I added "Gimp" to the exclude list in trailfocus and none of the Gimp
windows become transparent any longer.
/apps/compiz/plugins/trailfocus/screen0/options/exclude
Make sure to add it with upper case "G"
Also when working with an app, and don't want to deal with adding it
to the exclude, you can use the the Alt + mouse wheel to adjust opacity
and it will stay at that setting till you close that app and reopen it.
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Jupiter1TX wrote: | I added "Gimp" to the exclude list in trailfocus and none of the Gimp
windows become transparent any longer. |
Hey Jupiter1TX,
I think this is only a workaround, not what I think younker was asking for. You could still want Gimp as a whole to become transparent when you have some other application active. Trailfocus's strength is making a clear, even dramatic distinction between the active window and others so putting major apps in the exclude list reduces its functionality.
But it can get complicated -- you want Gimp treated this way because all those little toolbars and other windows need to be clearly visible while you're working, but do you want multiple web browser windows treated the same way? Or multiple OpenOffice documents? At some point this gets addressed by Xgl/AIGLX-aware apps, but in the meantime it would be nice to have a choice for all of an application's windows to be treated as a single entity. |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| sternklang wrote: | | Jupiter1TX wrote: | I added "Gimp" to the exclude list in trailfocus and none of the Gimp
windows become transparent any longer. |
Hey Jupiter1TX,
I think this is only a workaround, not what I think younker was asking for. You could still want Gimp as a whole to become transparent when you have some other application active. Trailfocus's strength is making a clear, even dramatic distinction between the active window and others so putting major apps in the exclude list reduces its functionality.
But it can get complicated -- you want Gimp treated this way because all those little toolbars and other windows need to be clearly visible while you're working, but do you want multiple web browser windows treated the same way? Or multiple OpenOffice documents? At some point this gets addressed by Xgl/AIGLX-aware apps, but in the meantime it would be nice to have a choice for all of an application's windows to be treated as a single entity. |
Yes, that is what I want, I noticed that metacity has this option through gconf, but currently it is not implemented.
so I think compiz should support this feature. |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Swing ? |
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| faugusztin wrote: | | Maybe i overseen something, but is there a solution for Swing applications in Xgl ? I use few of them and all have problems displaying their contents (ie i get a window with background color of app, but without controls, menu etc). Of course i can start them in Xnest, where they run fine, but Xnest is too much unstable for me (it crashes for example when i move to another "desktop" via Ctrl+Alt+Left or Right - not allways, but often). |
Reply to myself - sun-jdk-1.4 works, sun-jdk-1.5 doesn't. |
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Jupiter1TX
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sternklang wrote: | | Jupiter1TX wrote: | I added "Gimp" to the exclude list in trailfocus and none of the Gimp
windows become transparent any longer. |
Hey Jupiter1TX,
I think this is only a workaround, not what I think younker was asking for. You could still want Gimp as a whole to become transparent when you have some other application active. Trailfocus's strength is making a clear, even dramatic distinction between the active window and others so putting major apps in the exclude list reduces its functionality.
But it can get complicated -- you want Gimp treated this way because all those little toolbars and other windows need to be clearly visible while you're working, but do you want multiple web browser windows treated the same way? Or multiple OpenOffice documents? At some point this gets addressed by Xgl/AIGLX-aware apps, but in the meantime it would be nice to have a choice for all of an application's windows to be treated as a single entity. |
Thanks sternklang for the excellant explanation.
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Swing ? |
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| faugusztin wrote: | | faugusztin wrote: | | Maybe i overseen something, but is there a solution for Swing applications in Xgl ? I use few of them and all have problems displaying their contents (ie i get a window with background color of app, but without controls, menu etc). Of course i can start them in Xnest, where they run fine, but Xnest is too much unstable for me (it crashes for example when i move to another "desktop" via Ctrl+Alt+Left or Right - not allways, but often). |
Reply to myself - sun-jdk-1.4 works, sun-jdk-1.5 doesn't. |
As does Blackdown JRE. |
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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why my tvtime looks wreid in xgl???
i've bt878 based tv card
sorry my english... 
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reflex
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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i get the following after launching mplayer with a video (with any -vo):
| Code: | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0".
compiz: stack smashing attack in function handleEvent() |
however this may be due to some compile issues, i think i should change my use flags. |
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enzobelmont
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thanks xdtv works fine here...
sorry my english...
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There are some problems with the current svn revision (r224):
- kdelibs-3.5.2-r6 is now stable on x86 in the regular tree, maybe handy to bump it in the svn too
- dependency of compiz-vanilla uses a '=' instead of '>=' on mesa, which conflicts with the dependency of xgl on mesa |
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BlackBelt
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys.
I'm running xgl by last revision on amd64 and nvidia gf go 5650. I had installed, of course, compiz-quinnstorm but I haven't any decoration (gnome-window-decorator is running and I have decoration plugin loaded).
Any Idea?
thanks in advance
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nesl247
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| menetto wrote: | There are some problems with the current svn revision (r224):
- kdelibs-3.5.2-r6 is now stable on x86 in the regular tree, maybe handy to bump it in the svn too
- dependency of compiz-vanilla uses a '=' instead of '>=' on mesa, which conflicts with the dependency of xgl on mesa |
Both are now fixed. |
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| nesl247 wrote: | | menetto wrote: | There are some problems with the current svn revision (r224):
- kdelibs-3.5.2-r6 is now stable on x86 in the regular tree, maybe handy to bump it in the svn too
- dependency of compiz-vanilla uses a '=' instead of '>=' on mesa, which conflicts with the dependency of xgl on mesa |
Both are now fixed. |
I had put kdelibs-3.5.2-r6 in a few days ago, so it should have been there already. Was there a problem with the committ?
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| roderick, it was made stable on x86, ppc64, and amd64.. I only removed the ~ from those, and updated the Header |
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akb
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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one quick question... i think you all know of this variable XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 which has to be set for rdesktop and sdl games to display properly. well, the problem is i dont want to write a wrapper for every single application, since i even cannot simply set this parameter in a gnome or kde menu to start it like "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 myapp" from console... so is it good or bad to export this variable for the whole desktop? i'm thinking of compiz not working properly with some apps or so, because it makes the app ignore somewhat composite enhancements... but on the other hand when i start a game with this variable, it displays correctly... even with the windows drop shadow and so on. [edit: and yes, compiz' transparency works too, checked it by setting a transparency when moving a window]
so... whats the best way to handle this?
and yes, i know the question isnt that short like i thought at the beginning of this posting  |
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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You could make a file like:
| xglappfix: | #!/bin/bash
# ${1} is the executable we want to run
echo "Running ${1}..."
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ${1} |
Then just: xglappfix executable |
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akb
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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why didnt i think of this? *lol* thx for the tipp
but theres still the question: what if i export this globally? will it work? |
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| You mean if you do export ...? If so, every app you start will start with that line.. (compiz, xgl, etc) |
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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yes... sure... *lol* but "will it work"? or will it cause compiz to do strange things?
edit: well... after some testing i got it working without a wrapper  you have to give this variable within your xgl startscript to the kde/gnome-loader-call. so for example the following works for me:
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#!/bin/bash
eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`
export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID
echo ">Starting XGL at Display: $1"
echo "========= XGL ============"
Xgl :$1 -ac -accel xv -accel glx:pbuffer &
sleep 10
echo "======= COMPIZ ==========="
DISPLAY=:$1 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/ compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher &
sleep 15
echo "====== DECORATIONS ======="
DISPLAY=:$1 gnome-window-decorator &
echo "======= WM/DE ============"
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 DISPLAY=:$1 startkde
#echo "======= LOGOUT ============"
killall Xgl
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or by using a session file. i added a session file to load a kde+compiz session from within kdm. i have to change ServerCmd to use xgl instead of x globally, but this doesnt really matter, since Xgl works fine as a "normal" x server, so without compiz but using *box, kwin, metacity too.
here are the changes that i have made to my /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc:
| /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc wrote: |
[X-:*-Core]
[...]
ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl -br -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv
ServerTimeout=30
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here's for example my session file:
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[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=XSession
Exec=/etc/X11/Sessions/KDE_Compiz
TryExec=/etc/X11/Sessions/KDE_Compiz
Name=KDE 3.5 + Compiz
Comment=The K Desktop Environment. A powerful Open Source graphical desktop environme
nt running Compiz
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As you see my startscript that is called from this xsession file is located at /etc/X11/Sessions/. I'm not sure if it's the right place, but I was working at this location when I wrote that session file, so I just took it right from that place. Here it is:
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#!/bin/sh
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly
fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher &
sleep 3
exec gnome-window-decorator &
XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 /usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde
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Well, thats it. Now I can use kdm for general use without harming un-3d-d sessions _and_ start sdl games and rdesktop from within kde without having that transparency problem. i hope this helps others too |
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| nesl247 wrote: | | roderick, it was made stable on x86, ppc64, and amd64.. I only removed the ~ from those, and updated the Header |
Hmm.. Ok. I copied the ebuild from portage and modded it and committed. Guess it changed from the time I copied it
Thanks for updating.
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Or you could chuck the following in ~/.bash_profile
| Code: | | export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 |
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I still have the binding textures issue on a GeForce 4 Go 64Mb. From what I recall a lot of people with those low end cards had the same problem a while back, but then it suddenly worked with a fix or whatever, but now it seems to be back to not working. Not sure if it was the same error message. Anyways, I got it working on my new computer with a GF 7900GT, without any problems at all, completely flawless instructions by the wiki and the effects added are really nice.
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| Archangel1 wrote: | Or you could chuck the following in ~/.bash_profile
| Code: | | export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 |
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i tried this, but Xgl and compiz can not be started with this variable set, as the window deco is missing then. you have to wait with setting this until you start your desktop environment session. believe me, i tested several combinations, the one i told above is really the best |
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