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irf2003 Veteran
Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 1078
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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@Darckness,
With all my due respect.
I find your recommendations for LDFLAGS, in your "How to be a good Gentoo user", a bit ricey, namely:
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LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -s"
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In short, unless you wrote the package yourself, then you can play with these in your makefiles. Otherwise, as a consumer, you have no business in messing with the LDFLAGS.
And yeah, don't worry, should the dev deem these advantageous, and your system has these capabilities, she/he will no doubt make the best use of them.
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cokey Advocate
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: |
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irf2003 wrote: | @Darckness,
With all my due respect.
I find your recommendations for LDFLAGS, in your "How to be a good Gentoo user", a bit ricey, namely:
Code: | LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--sort-common -s" |
In short, unless you wrote the package yourself, then you can play with these in your makefiles. Otherwise, as a consumer, you have no business in messing with the LDFLAGS.
And yeah, don't worry, should the dev deem these advantageous, and your system has these capabilities, she/he will no doubt make the best use of them.
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hmmmmmmmmmmm somehow methinks you missed the point of this thread... _________________ https://otw20.com/ OTW20 The new place for off the wall chat |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7729 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Parent Advisory: this thread is a joke. _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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kimchi_sg Advocate
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 2968
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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pilla wrote: | Parent Advisory: this thread is a joke. |
Haven't we said that 10,000 times already in this thread?]
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cokey Advocate
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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for some reason i read "Pilla Advisory" _________________ https://otw20.com/ OTW20 The new place for off the wall chat |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7729 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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kimchi_sg wrote: | pilla wrote: | Parent Advisory: this thread is a joke. |
Haven't we said that 10,000 times already in this thread?]
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and still some people read the last comments and think it isn't a joke. _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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freelight Apprentice
Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 295 Location: NYC, NY, USA
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Meh. Ricing to a ridiculous degree is stupid of course, and rice-related bugs don't belong on Gentoo bugzilla, but branding any and all attempts at optimization beyond "march=<...>" as "ricing" is a bit harsh, no? Experimenting is fun, some people enjoy it. Ricing - both cars and computers - is only a hobby. (Except when you rice computers, the worst damage you can do is mess up your computer, rather than kill someone.)
Sure, newbies who don't know what they're doing and get excited about making their system faster will more likely than not learn the hard way why abusing LDFLAGS and the like isn't a good idea. Kill your system once, kill your system twice, third time you learn something. (Heh, that's how I learned to use GNU/Linux. at any rate.)
The only really bad things I see about Gentoo "ricing" are 1) filing subsequent errors to bus.gentoo.org and 2) ricing systems in inappropriate environments (workstation/server). Not so?
Oh, and on a sidenote, everyone knows that 1n5a|\|3 0pt1/\/\1zat10|\|s make your system more secure! The REAL reason things randomly segfault sometimes is because someone is trying to h4x0r j00 and the program shuts down as a precaution! Don't beleive those n00b devs who say it's because your optimizations are unstable, they only want to h4x j00r b0x and slow it down! Kernel panics are especially a lifesafer - they happen when some dev hacks into your b0x and tries to uninstall your ricer-sources, so the kernel starts to panic and shuts down! P4t|-|3t1c n00b l4m3rz!!1 |
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wjholden l33t
Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 826 Location: Augusta, GA
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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I think the moderators should start banning people for using leet.
freelight, you might be interested to know that bootstrapping and compiling your own kernel are among the things people tout as a Linux security boost. By bootstrapping and building your own kernel those carefully crafted strings used in buffer overflow attacks are often useless as it's sometimes difficult to guess where in memory something will be. What that means is that stage 1 rules, unless you're a devout kernel hacker, in which case stage 0.5 rocks. And if you're Linus, stage 0
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freelight Apprentice
Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 295 Location: NYC, NY, USA
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Even when it's used in blatant sarcasm/humor? |
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wjholden l33t
Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 826 Location: Augusta, GA
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:28 am Post subject: |
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freelight wrote: | Even when it's used in blatant sarcasm/humor? |
I was kidding. I need to get <sarcasm> tags compliant |
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moocha Watchman
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 5722
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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How did I not see this thread sooner? Priceless...
OK, to give Darckness another gem:
Darckness wrote: | ciaranm wrote: | Why do I suspect I'd also regret posting an explanation of how to override flag filtering here? After all, we only put in flag filtering because we want to keep the top sekrit optimisations to ourselves, not because they're necessary... Hrm, don't think I'll let the cat out of the bag on that one. |
ARGH! I keep forgetting all of this stuff. Thanks again ciaranm for not revealing such things! Updating... | I assume ciaranm was referring to placing Code: | ALLOWED_FLAGS="${CFLAGS} ${CXXFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS}" | in make.conf...
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IvanYosifov l33t
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 778 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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The POV-Ray benchmark link in the original post ( http://lunar-linux.org/?q=node/view/289 ) is broken. Seems lunar-linux.org got gentoo-forumed Any mirrors ? |
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kimchi_sg Advocate
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 2968
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Now that ciaranm is gone, I find it sort of odd that this "tutorial" still contains so many references to him.
In other words, we need some other dev to carry on the anti-ricing campaign. Or do we? |
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IvanYosifov l33t
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 778 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Now that ciaranm is gone
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Uh ? How come ? |
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wdreinhart Guru
Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 569 Location: 4QFJ12345678
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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irf2003 wrote: | In short, unless you wrote the package yourself, then you can play with these in your makefiles. Otherwise, as a consumer, you have no business in messing with the LDFLAGS. |
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad to have a wonderful free and open OS like Gentoo Linux to tell me what is and isn't my business, and to remind me that I am a mere consumer of free software, not a participant in it... |
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rhill Retired Dev
Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 1629 Location: sk.ca
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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IvanYosifov wrote: | Quote: |
Now that ciaranm is gone
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Uh ? How come ? |
Mothership picked him up. _________________ by design, by neglect
for a fact or just for effect |
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smoked n00b
Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 38
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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wdreinhart wrote: | irf2003 wrote: | In short, unless you wrote the package yourself, then you can play with these in your makefiles. Otherwise, as a consumer, you have no business in messing with the LDFLAGS. |
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad to have a wonderful free and open OS like Gentoo Linux to tell me what is and isn't my business, and to remind me that I am a mere consumer of free software, not a participant in it... |
He's stating a personal opinion. As far as I know, it's in no way official policy. You can tweak/break your system as much as you like.
What you should not do is post bugs while running a system with insane CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS/LDFLAGS since the amount of wasted time, handling non-bugs, would be intolerable. That is official policy.
In short, use whatever flags you like, but be prepared to rebuild your entire system whenever you run into problems, in order to insure it's not caused by insane flags.
It's not worth it if you ask me. |
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Cypr n00b
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 57
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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What about making the cd/dvd drive do lots of exercise, so that it learns to run faster?
To keep your cd/dvd drive in shape, add the following to some startup script:
Code: | for (( x=0 ; x<50 ; x++ )) ; do eject && eject -t ; done |
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Marctraider Guru
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 387
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: |
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lol that how-to or whatever it is is quite funny ;) you damn ricers hehe :p
Ciaranm, lighten up and smile for a little while. _________________ MOBO: Maximus II Gene
RAM: DDR2 OCZ 4GB
CPU: E6400 Conroe
GPU: HD2600XT
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Faylon7 n00b
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 28 Location: In the center of a circle of computers.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Best guide ever, heheheh. Think I may follow some aspects of this on a test platform heheh
Thanks for this! |
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amne Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Nov 2002 Posts: 6378 Location: Graz / EU
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Faylon7 wrote: | Think I may follow some aspects of this on a test platform heheh
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Sorry, but you didn't understand the purpose of this guide. Test platform, huh. What kind of wannabe ricer are you? _________________ Dinosaur week! (Ok, this thread is so last week) |
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curtis119 Bodhisattva
Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 2160 Location: Toledo, Ohio,USA, North America, Earth, SOL System, Milky Way, The Universe, The Cosmos, and Beyond.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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dirtyepic wrote: | IvanYosifov wrote: | Quote: |
Now that ciaranm is gone
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Uh ? How come ? |
Mothership picked him up. |
And it just dropped him back off. _________________ Gentoo: it's like wiping your ass with silk. |
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cokey Advocate
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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If there is one think i'm proud to have my name attached to in Gentoo, it's being in the credits for this _________________ https://otw20.com/ OTW20 The new place for off the wall chat |
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deadstar Guru
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 319 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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freelight wrote: | (Except when you rice computers, the worst damage you can do is mess up your computer, rather than kill someone.) |
Unless you set your use flags to something SO secret and u8er l33t that it melts your CPU, setting fire to the carpet and dousing the house's inhabitants in a raging inferno.
....I have developed such a use flag. Email me. And use at your own risk. _________________ Hysteriagaming.co.uk is now DOT COM! New design, forum, articles, the works! http://www.hysteriagaming.com
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deadstar Guru
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 319 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Cypr wrote: | What about making the cd/dvd drive do lots of exercise, so that it learns to run faster?
To keep your cd/dvd drive in shape, add the following to some startup script:
Code: | for (( x=0 ; x<50 ; x++ )) ; do eject && eject -t ; done |
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OMG IT FKCIN WORKS AND ALL!!
CAN'T WAIT TO GET TO WORK TOMORROW!!! That server's cd drive is gonna take a punishing! Man am I gonna laugh at the admin when he replaces the drive, only to discover ITS STILL DOING IT!
Cypr, love ya man! _________________ Hysteriagaming.co.uk is now DOT COM! New design, forum, articles, the works! http://www.hysteriagaming.com
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