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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: works for me... Reply with quote

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Another quick question, does anyone know of a good burning program that I can just send MP3's and it will automatically decode them into making an normal audio cd? I can do it with lame but I'd rather skip the step if it's possible...


i use k3b
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive just set up atapi recording, without problems, but I can't get xcdroast to see my dvd player on hda to copy CDs from!
Any ideas?
I tried:

xcdroast -f ATAPI:/dev/hdc ATAPI:/dev/hda

xcdroast -f ATAPI:/dev/hdc /dev/hda

It doesn't work with either
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHOA!
I done it:

xcdroast -f "ATAPI:/dev/hdc;ATAPI:/dev/hda"

Jus copied disc to disc!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: works for me... Reply with quote

xamn wrote:
ajayrockrock wrote:

Another quick question, does anyone know of a good burning program that I can just send MP3's and it will automatically decode them into making an normal audio cd? I can do it with lame but I'd rather skip the step if it's possible...


i use k3b


are you using k3b with ATAPI support? I couldn't get that to work, so I'm using gtoaster. SCSI support was a pain to set up on my computer anyway, this way is so much easier....

oh yeah, and is it possible to use cdrdao with ATAPI? I'm not having any luck...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:33 pm    Post subject: it works for me too Reply with quote

Awesome
Works for me to on an older HP CD-Writter+ 8290 revision 1.3c

Just a little note, it wasnt working until i removed hdc=ide-scsi from my append file in lilo.. so if your having problems make sure youve taken out all the scsi modules and removed any line that looks like that from either lilo or grub.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have a good way to keep this from being downgraded when trying to update the system.. for the moment i just keep a list of the programs that i want that arnt standard and paste the file into package.mask after every 'emerge rsync' ..but there has to be an easier way.. ive tried to add them to /var/cache/edb/world ..but it seems to just get overwritten every time and app is emerged...

any sudestions?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emerge -i package_name-version :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi all-
2 things:

do you have to create audio cd images before you can burn them with xcdroast? ie. unlike gnome-toaster which can decode mp3s and burn audio cds automagically?

how did you get gtoaster to detect your ATAPI drive?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

x-cd-roast doesn't do direct-copy of AudioCDs YET
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's okay, b/c i only have one drive installed ;)

how about mp3 decoding?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The easiest way to do it using xcdroast, would be to use xmms to pass the mp3s to wav, and then put the wavs on the defined ISO's directory on x-cdroast. Create CD... Use Cd-Text if you want.. Change the order of the tracks.... BANG! Piracy complete :roll:


Further reading:

http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a13.html#12

http://www.xcdroast.org/xcdr098/faq-a13.html#18
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, I took some time and setup my kernel in a nice modular way so that I can switch between SCSI emulation and native ATAPI on the fly for both my cd burner and reader. Setup similiar to the reccomendations in the "other" thread: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=20175

That worked out just dandy, but then after seeing this thread I decided to emerge the new cdrecord (bleeding edge, yes!) and check out ATAPI burning. Everything worked perfectly (helpfull posts everyone!) and I was able to burn.

However, when working in ATAPI mode everything was very, VERY slow with XCDRoast (maybe it is better with other programs?) Like 8 times longer to start the program, and clicking each button produced a huge delay, etc. The performance and system load was just aweful; bad enough that I switched back to SCSI emulation. Maybe someday native ATAPI will be reasonable, but right now it is questionable, at least for me.

Perhaps there was something that I did wrong to make it so slow. Perhaps there is something strange about my setup. Just my 2 cents. Your results may vary.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:52 am    Post subject: xcdroast very slow - any ideas? Reply with quote

So, I upgraded to the new version of cdrtools, removed all my old scsi-emulation modules, rebooted, did a cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI and tried it out in xcdroast (commandline arguments xcdroast -f ATAPI:/dev/hdc) It worked. Problem is, it takes upwards of two minutes to get to the point where the gui is up and responsive from the time I start xcdroast, no matter if run it as root or regular user. During this time the rest of the system is responsive, there is no extra hard drive activity and no extra processes are started, but xcdroast still crawls.
I see from earlier posts that this has been a problem. Anyone figured out how to fix it?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far I've only been able to enable two drives. Can't put three in:

ex. xcdroast -f "ATAPI:/dev/hda;ATAPI:/dev/hdb;ATAPI:/dev/hdc"

xcdroast only recognizes the first two when i do this. oh, well.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just have to ask.. What on earth would you need three cdr drives for?? :D

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nothing like that :). I have a dvdwr, cdrw, and a dvd player. Whoohoo -- got it!

Oops, still no go. if i use the commands in the cli then it works. if i put the arguments into a shortcut then it only recognizes two drives. Afaik the argument has to be put in every time for it to work.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone been able to do this with k3b yet?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mope wrote:
Has anyone been able to do this with k3b yet?


There is a patch that makes k3b work with ide-cd, some features do not work yet. You can get the patch from here:

http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=104631854900685&w=2
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

samppa wrote:
mope wrote:
Has anyone been able to do this with k3b yet?


There is a patch that makes k3b work with ide-cd, some features do not work yet. You can get the patch from here:

http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=104631854900685&w=2


ok, so i downloaded k3bdiff.gz. Is that what i was supposed to get? the only problem i have is i don't know what to do with it! :) ...could you tell me? I read the message but still not sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all right, here are the steps i followed:

1.) /usr/portage/app-cdr/k3b
2.) ebuild k3b-0.8.1.ebuild unpack
2.) cd /var/tmp/portage/k3b-0.8.1/work/k3b-0.8.1/
3.) I copied the patch (kb3.diff) into this directory and
patch -p0 < k3b.diff

But these are the errors I got:

patching file src/k3bblankingjob.cpp
patching file src/k3bcdrdaowriter.cpp
Hunk #1 FAILED at 86.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 94.
Hunk #3 FAILED at 106.
Hunk #4 succeeded at 167 (offset -6 lines).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 244 (offset -6 lines).
Hunk #8 FAILED at 403.
4 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/k3bcdrdaowriter.cpp.rej
patching file src/k3bcdrecordwriter.cpp
Hunk #1 FAILED at 69.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/k3bcdrecordwriter.cpp.rej
patching file src/cdcopy/k3bcdcopydialog.cpp
Hunk #1 succeeded at 178 with fuzz 1 (offset 1 line).
Hunk #2 succeeded at 273 (offset 2 lines).
patching file src/device/k3bdevicemanager.cpp
Hunk #1 succeeded at 85 (offset 2 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 462 (offset 2 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 656 (offset 2 lines).
patching file src/device/k3bdevicewidget.cpp
patching file src/device/k3bidedevice.cpp
patching file src/device/k3bidedevice.h

This is what I will do when the patch works:

4.) cd /usr/portage/app-cdr/k3b-0.8.1/ <--:oops: s/b k3b
5.) ebuild k3b-0.8.1.ebuild merge

could you tell me what went wrong or should i just go for it and see if it works?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone noticed any advantage in using ATAPI over SCSI emulation by way of stability or performance?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried that with the kernel I had before this one.

I had heavy I/O problems when burning CDs. It collapsed too easily. Buffer dropped to 0 every now and then (luckily I have BurnFree, but >50 empty buffers per burn is way too much), with a lot of CPU use.

With this kernel (scsi emulation again) I can write CDs without touching the CPU and without any IO problem. (No buffer drops)

Have you had those kind of problems? I'll continue with SCSI emulation by now...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mope wrote:

3.) I copied the patch (kb3.diff) into this directory and
patch -p0 < k3b.diff

But these are the errors I got:

patching file src/k3bblankingjob.cpp
patching file src/k3bcdrdaowriter.cpp
Hunk #1 FAILED at 86.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 94.
Hunk #3 FAILED at 106.
Hunk #4 succeeded at 167 (offset -6 lines).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 244 (offset -6 lines).
Hunk #8 FAILED at 403.
4 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/k3bcdrdaowriter.cpp.rej
patching file src/k3bcdrecordwriter.cpp
Hunk #1 FAILED at 69.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/k3bcdrecordwriter.cpp.rej
patching file src/cdcopy/k3bcdcopydialog.cpp
Hunk #1 succeeded at 178 with fuzz 1 (offset 1 line).
Hunk #2 succeeded at 273 (offset 2 lines).
patching file src/device/k3bdevicemanager.cpp
Hunk #1 succeeded at 85 (offset 2 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 462 (offset 2 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 656 (offset 2 lines).
patching file src/device/k3bdevicewidget.cpp
patching file src/device/k3bidedevice.cpp
patching file src/device/k3bidedevice.h



The patch is for the k3b cvs version. You need to manually merge it for use with release version.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mgirard wrote:
However, when working in ATAPI mode everything was very, VERY slow with XCDRoast (maybe it is better with other programs?) Like 8 times longer to start the program, and clicking each button produced a huge delay, etc. The performance and system load was just aweful; bad enough that I switched back to SCSI emulation. Maybe someday native ATAPI will be reasonable, but right now it is questionable, at least for me.

Perhaps there was something that I did wrong to make it so slow. Perhaps there is something strange about my setup. Just my 2 cents. Your results may vary.

-Mg


I had the same issues with speed when I first switched over to ATAPI burning. When I launched xcdroast, I would get a window, but it would be anywhere from 15-60 seconds before it would respond. Sadly, I never figured out exactly what the problem was, but one day after a fresh emerge, it just started working. However, I find that my burn speed is limited. With SCSI emulation, I was burning at near drive speed (11.X with a 12X burner), but now my burn speeds top out around 5.5 - 6. I've tried manually changing the settings within xcdroast; to no avail.

Luckily, this is usually not a huge issue for me, since I don't burn more than a couple of cd's a week. I figure I'll stick with it for now.

If anyone's interested, here's my versions:
xcdroast-0.98_alpha13
cdrtools_2.0
gentoo-sources_2.4.20_r1
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone have a good way to keep this from being downgraded when trying to update the system.. for the moment i just keep a list of the programs that i want that arnt standard and paste the file into package.mask after every 'emerge rsync' ..but there has to be an easier way.. ive tried to add them to /var/cache/edb/world ..but it seems to just get overwritten every time and app is emerged...

any sudestions?


Do you have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch" in /etc/make.conf enabled?
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