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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 3:16 pm    Post subject: Gentoo Download? Reply with quote

Is it possible for me to download all the packages on my school's inet link, then burn them all onto CD for installation on my PBG4 667MHz Radeon (no L3 cache)?

As I don't have access to FTP, I can only download from HTTP, and so I can only download one package at a time, and not bulk download like with FTP. So, can I download a few 650MB tarballs that add up to the whole lot? Or am I limited to having to download ~1800 files manually?

If these files don't exist, could someone that has a fast internet connection make these files for me? I suppose it would be useful for other people too...
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Gentoo Download? Reply with quote

gwright wrote:
Is it possible for me to download all the packages on my school's inet link, then burn them all onto CD for installation on my PBG4 667MHz Radeon (no L3 cache)?


Yes.

gwright wrote:
So, can I download a few 650MB tarballs that add up to the whole lot? Or am I limited to having to download ~1800 files manually?


The only large group of packages currently available in a single file is the Stage 3 ISO CD, which contains the majority of the packages required to get a desktop system up and running. They're precompiled binaries, however.

That said, you don't need to download all 1800 packages -- you'll probably only use a few hundred of the packages at most, so why download them all? That wastes a huge amount of bandwidth that someone has to pay for.

If you can generate a list of packages that you want/need, you can use wget to download them all. Just create a text file that contains one URL per line. (doesn't have to be that exact format, but that's the easiest/most reliable method) Then, do something like:

Code:
wget -b -o my_logfile -i my_list_of_packages.txt

and wget will take care of the rest. (man wget for more information about how that command works)

gwright wrote:
If these files don't exist, could someone that has a fast internet connection make these files for me? I suppose it would be useful for other people too...


Maybe, but only until the next package gets updated... CDs are not a good way of distributing source tarballs because they're out of date as soon as they're burned.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

klieber: You may want to check the name at the top of the Forum ;)

There is no such thing as binary packages or a stage 3 ISO for PPC (yet).

I have unofficial ones at http://gentoo-ppc.macdiscussion.com that may help you tho.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gerk wrote:
klieber: You may want to check the name at the top of the Forum ;)


Oops -- my bad. Sorry about that. The stuff about generating a list of files and feeding them to wget is still relevant, though. wget is an awesome little tool.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep for sure, wget rocks :)
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 7:39 pm    Post subject: wget Reply with quote

I can't wget, I'm on a win2k box here at school (schools never use *nix).

I'm not bothered about the bandwidth, it's a 3Mbps link, and is sufficient for me to download the lot.

And the CDs, they don't need to be burnt, just a few tarballs that can be downloaded, I suppose...

And I always prefer to download the whole lot, get a base system going (no matter how out of date it is, so long as it's within a few months...) then upgrade particular packages so that I can continue developing for KDE :) That's all I really need it for
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: wget Reply with quote

gwright wrote:
I can't wget, I'm on a win2k box here at school (schools never use *nix).


yes, you can

(Side Note: Schools most assuredly do use linux)

gwright wrote:
I'm not bothered about the bandwidth, it's a 3Mbps link, and is sufficient for me to download the lot.


That wasn't my point. My point was that the Gentoo project (or someone affiliated with the Gentoo project) has to pay for the bandwidth that you're using. Gentoo is Free, but that doesn't mean that there are no costs associated with running the project. The more unneeded files you download, the more money you cost them.

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That's all I really need it for


Then only download those packages. For that matter, take your PB into school and do the install there.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a proof of concept, here's a list of packages required by KDE. This is based on my machine, so it may not have all the USE variables that you want, but it took me about 5 minutes to generate this file using emerge -ep and some basic regex work in vim.

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http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libtool-1.4.1-r7.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/m4-1.4p.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/groff-1.17.2-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/db-1.85-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/db-3.2.3h-r4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/gdbm-1.8.0-r5.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/perl-5.6.1-r3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/autoconf-2.53a.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/automake-1.6.1-r4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/cdparanoia-3.9.8.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/ncurses-5.2-r5.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/zlib-1.1.4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/flex-2.5.4a-r4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/xfree-4.2.0-r9.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/openmotif-2.1.30-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libogg-1.0_rc3-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libvorbis-1.0_rc3-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/openssl-0.9.6d.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libpng-1.2.1-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libungif-4.1.0-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/jpeg-6b-r2.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/tiff-3.5.7-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/lcms-1.08.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/giflib-4.1.0-r3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/tcp-wrappers-7.6-r3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/readline-4.1-r4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/gettext-0.11.1-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/procps-2.0.7-r6.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/mysql-3.23.49-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libmng-1.0.3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/qt-3.0.4.1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/pwdb-0.61-r3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/glib-1.2.10-r4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/miscfiles-1.2-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/cracklib-2.7-r5.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/pam-0.75-r6.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/cups-1.1.14-r4.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/samba-2.2.4-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/make-3.79.1-r3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libxml2-2.4.22.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libpcre-3.9-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/bzip2-1.0.2-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/portmap-5b-r6.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/fam-oss-2.6.7.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/lib-compat-1.0-r2.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/ld.so-1.9.11-r2.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/gcc-2.95.3-r5.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/arts-1.0.1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/libxslt-1.0.18.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/audiofile-0.2.3-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/ghostscript-7.05.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/sgml-common-0.6.3.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/python-fchksum-1.6.1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/python-2.2.1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/kdelibs-3.0.1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/gtk+-1.2.10-r7.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/nasm-0.98.31-r1.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/lame-3.92.tar.bz2
http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-3.0.1.tar.bz2


Feed that file to wget and you get a directory full of all the source tarballs necessary to install XFree86 4.2 and KDE 3.0.1. As you can see, there's a lot of extra stuff in there as well. (samba, mysql, lame) If you don't need those, the list gets shortened even further.

I haven't tested it, so there may be some errors. I post it here more to prove a point that it really isn't that hard to do and it will save a lot of bandwidth and resources on the Gentoo side of things.

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I didn't realise you meant the gentoo bandwidth. Sorry.

I think i'll just download the stage 3 tarball, and all the packages on Gerk's site.

I'll see what I can do about wget on Win2k. I can't connect my PowerBook to the network as they won't allow me to.

Thanks guys
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