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Markrian n00b

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ralph Advocate


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Cool!
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playfool l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:34 am Post subject: |
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it's wank regardless, what does a 3d environment get us, aside a lot of usability problems..
nothing that's right, it's useless eyecandy, it offers no improvement over the current situation. |
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Markrian n00b

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: |
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SoLC wrote: | it's wank regardless, what does a 3d environment get us, aside a lot of usability problems..
nothing that's right, it's useless eyecandy, it offers no improvement over the current situation. |
Erm... first of all, don't bash it until you've tried it. Looking Glass is unlike ANY other WM around today.
Second of all, even if it's actually a usability nightmare, open-source *anything* paves the way for new avenues of thought. Certainly no evil can come of this. _________________ Wikipedia - The Free Encyclopædia |
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Raoul_Duke l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I see both arguments.......looking glass looks like nonsense ATM, no advantages to current 2D WM's........but then, having it open source does mean that perhaps we'll see some interesting developments elsewhere  _________________ www.iamthepenguin.com |
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placeholder Advocate

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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It does look like it will just be more eye candy, and more than likely I will give it a shot and probably go back to Fluxbox in a heartbeat. However, it's not like it's a waste of time since there are some people that like this stuff. I personally would rather have FDO's Xserver because of true transparency, but that's just me and something that I like.  |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I watched the demo video a while back. Looked quite impressive. Mostly, I think it is the OSS version of softare that perpetuates the need for faster processors. _________________ The mob moves like demons possessed. Quiet in conscience, calm in their right. Confident their ways are best. -- Rush, Witch Hunt |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Pwnz3r wrote: | It does look like it will just be more eye candy, and more than likely I will give it a shot and probably go back to Fluxbox in a heartbeat. However, it's not like it's a waste of time since there are some people that like this stuff. I personally would rather have FDO's Xserver because of true transparency, but that's just me and something that I like.  | Agreed I'm hoping now that it 's GPL'd, Keith might include some of the eye-candy into the XServer project. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
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riis n00b

Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 63 Location: Aalborg, Denmark
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, I can't wait to try it. Although I am affraid it sucks balls, but hey, you have to try it.
On a side note that article in the register was hilarious:
Quote: | This Sun article [link] explains how it came about. Programmer Hideya Kawahara began by trying to integrate elements of 3D into a conventional desktop, which explains why it looks so fresh, and is more-or-less completely useless. 3D doesn't in itself make the machine any easier to use, as this formation of windows flying over the Grand Canyon illustrates. |
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HydroSan l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why people are bashing it. SUN Microsystems is pratically opening up every single flagship product to us (Solaris, Java, and now their new baby, Looking Glass), in an attempt to help both the Open Source community and themselves. I have to say that they have great courage opening up these technologies.
Secondly, Looking Glass is probably the most sleek-looking WM I've seen yet. It beats the shit out of any WM so far I've used (KDE, GNOME, Fluxbox, XFCE4, XPDE, E, FVWM) in terms of eyecandy, and actually looks innovative and different. I'm not saying the rest of the WM's are crap and they should burn in hell, but what I'm saying is that now the Open Source Community has another key to making Linux a good, stable, secure and nice-to-look-at operating system for anyone. _________________ I was a Gangster for Capitalism, by Major General Smedley Butler.
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stonent Veteran


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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MMMM. I'm having flashbacks of MS's "chrome" they were going on about in the late 90's. _________________ Inspiron 4100 & Sun UltraAXe
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playfool l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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stonent wrote: | MMMM. I'm having flashbacks of MS's "chrome" they were going on about in the late 90's. |
funny so are they.. the "new" longhorn GUI has some 3d features, like arranging all windows "sideways" for easy access. It's to is basically useless currently, but it does look pretty. |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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HydroSan wrote: | [...] SUN Microsystems is pratically opening up every single flagship product to us (Solaris, Java, and now their new baby, Looking Glass), in an attempt to help both the Open Source community and themselves. I have to say that they have great courage opening up these technologies. | So they did release Solaris as open-source? Very cool...
Quote: | Secondly, Looking Glass is probably the most sleek-looking WM I've seen yet. It beats the shit out of any WM so far I've used (KDE, GNOME, Fluxbox, XFCE4, XPDE, E, FVWM) in terms of eyecandy, and actually looks innovative and different. I'm not saying the rest of the WM's are crap and they should burn in hell, but what I'm saying is that now the Open Source Community has another key to making Linux a good, stable, secure and nice-to-look-at operating system for anyone. | Agreed. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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SoLC wrote: | It's to is basically useless currently, but it does look pretty. | M$ software is useless? Why am I not surprised? _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
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stonent Veteran


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HydroSan l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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codergeek42 wrote: | HydroSan wrote: | [...] SUN Microsystems is pratically opening up every single flagship product to us (Solaris, Java, and now their new baby, Looking Glass), in an attempt to help both the Open Source community and themselves. I have to say that they have great courage opening up these technologies. | So they did release Solaris as open-source? Very cool... |
SCO (Dun dun dunnnnn~...) is trying to hold it up in court with some sort of bullshit "we ownz joo" claim because they supposedly invested $10 some many years ago and just HAPPENED to remember it now. But Solaris will eventually get GPL'd because IBM is apparently helping out SUN (now there's a pairing I never though I'd see ) with beating the shit out of SCO (yet again.) _________________ I was a Gangster for Capitalism, by Major General Smedley Butler.
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playfool l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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codergeek42 wrote: | SoLC wrote: | It's to is basically useless currently, but it does look pretty. | M$ software is useless? Why am I not surprised? |
Actually I have access to the development builds of Longhorn via an insider, I tried them out on his machine, Longhorn will be a very sleek system, but right now it's a... bumpy ride... and it's slow as nothing i've ever seen.
Never the less, there are some very interesting developments going on. I wouldn't say that their software is useless, .NET fx. is an awesome peice of engineering. |
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d0nju4n Apprentice

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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usability aside, looking glass is quite sexy indeed. _________________ Linux User 355087 |
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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HydroSan wrote: | codergeek42 wrote: | HydroSan wrote: | [...] SUN Microsystems is pratically opening up every single flagship product to us (Solaris, Java, and now their new baby, Looking Glass), in an attempt to help both the Open Source community and themselves. I have to say that they have great courage opening up these technologies. | So they did release Solaris as open-source? Very cool... |
SCO (Dun dun dunnnnn~...) is trying to hold it up in court with some sort of bullshit "we ownz joo" claim because they supposedly invested $10 some many years ago and just HAPPENED to remember it now. But Solaris will eventually get GPL'd because IBM is apparently helping out SUN (now there's a pairing I never though I'd see ) with beating the shit out of SCO (yet again.) | SHWEET _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
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shash Apprentice

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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From what I saw of the screenshots, it would probably be cool on a large monitor (say, 19" or so) and high resolution (>=1024x768).
It should be nice for organising windows and keeping things that you're not using still visible, but thinner, even if they are parallaxed. Like chat windows and the like...
Hydrosan wrote: | ...Solaris, Java, and now their new baby, Looking Glass... |
You're forgetting Openoffice!  |
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headache Apprentice


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Solaris has not been GPL'ed yet.
1024x768 is not high resolution.
I'd love to try Looking Glass. It looks nice.
I would have thought that most of the forum members would have jumped on this since I have the impression that eye candy is the most important part of a system based on the numerous "Show your desktop' threads... _________________ "I'd rather have a President who does it to a woman than one who does it to his country" -- Shirley Maclaine
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Stormy Eyes Veteran


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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It looks cool, but what can you do with it that you can't do with X.org with Openbox? 3D isn't a panacea. |
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HydroSan l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Stormy Eyes wrote: | It looks cool, but what can you do with it that you can't do with X.org with Openbox? 3D isn't a panacea. |
X's rendering is slow and horrible. For example, resizing windows in XOrg takes almost 40% CPU and higher at 1024x768. At 1600x1200 it's almost unbarable. Looking Glass is purely OpenGL-based, and uses Hardware > Software rendering. _________________ I was a Gangster for Capitalism, by Major General Smedley Butler.
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Stormy Eyes Veteran


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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HydroSan wrote: | X's rendering is slow and horrible. For example, resizing windows in XOrg takes almost 40% CPU and higher at 1024x768. At 1600x1200 it's almost unbarable. Looking Glass is purely OpenGL-based, and uses Hardware > Software rendering. |
WTF are you using, KDE? |
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HydroSan l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Stormy Eyes wrote: | HydroSan wrote: | X's rendering is slow and horrible. For example, resizing windows in XOrg takes almost 40% CPU and higher at 1024x768. At 1600x1200 it's almost unbarable. Looking Glass is purely OpenGL-based, and uses Hardware > Software rendering. |
WTF are you using, KDE? |
GNOME 2.6.
And might I add, a pretty damn good system. AthlonXP 2500+, 1GB DDR400, nVidia GeForceFX 5600 256MB. _________________ I was a Gangster for Capitalism, by Major General Smedley Butler.
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