preinstall questions

bradcarter · n00b Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Posts: 53

I am making a move possibly away from Mandrake and would like some advice

Which stage do you recomend? I am thinking of stage 2, how much benifit is gained from doing the bootstrapping on this machiene in otherwords starting at stage 1?

finally what should my expected downtime be on a 1.4 GHz T-Bird with 320MB ram? I kind of get the shakes when I can not be typing away

Thanks

I look forward to giving gentoo a try

garo · Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:56 pm Post subject:

if you use stage1, you can optimize the software for your system, but if you start from stage2 or even 3 it's faster and you can still optimize your system if you update/re-install your software later,that way you have a good system in a small amount of time.

when i installed starting from 1 on 1.4gig P IV with 256 sd-ram, it took me +- 1 day to install a working system with X, no extra software

Luder99 · n00b Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 41

Can anyone confirm a faster system by running stage 1 vs the others?

I'm not too confident a system would run faster, although I can see where compile times would be better when starting from stage 1.

Anyone? Anyone?

masseya · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:37 am Post subject:

There's a discussion of Compile Times here, so let's not duplicate that effort.

For what it's worth I think that if you are going to build a gentoo system you might as well bootstrap the thing. It's going to take some time to put a gentoo box together unless you've already compiled the programs you want to use. What's another 3 hours? Why not just make sure you have done everything you can to have a fast system? Now, I know there are always time constraints. I'm just saying that for me it's a good trade since I'm going to have to spend about a day on it anyway. Might as well take the time to bootstrap.
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Luder99 · n00b Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 41

Understood... I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this question...

Will a stage 1 yield a faster machine, or just faster compile times.

My limited knowledge tells me just faster compile times. A stage 3 build should produce the same output as a stage 1 build for any given app, however stage 1 could compile the app faster.

I know this is way off topic, maybe it should be it's own thread...

Thanks for the info..
KARL

masseya · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:14 am Post subject:

rac · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:34 am Post subject:

Luder99 · n00b Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 41

So, you're basically saying in addition to gcc and say gclib, we are also going to compile cfdisk, etc as part of a stage1 and not stage 3, therefore those might run faster.

I see... I know were talking a negligible amount, especially on a "standard" system.

The reason I am so curious is I wanted to tweak every last ounce of speed out of an old laptop (120Mhz Pentium) and couldn't build from stage 1. Kept on crapping out, so I opted for a stage 3. It's nice, but if you're telling me it could be faster, maybe I'll need to try harder to bootstrap. :lol:

Thanks...
KARL

rac · Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:50 am Post subject:

More importantly than performance,

Luder99 · n00b Joined: 29 Sep 2002 Posts: 41

I would probably agree with you... It's a COMPAQ LTE 5250. Pentium 120 which is when, 1996? 1994? Maybe older? I'm probably lucky it still turns on, but hey, it's free!

bradcarter · n00b Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Posts: 53

Thanks for the responces, I decided to start from stage one, as was said what is three hours

I am on stage three now and things are going well, 3 hours to bootstrap and just shy of an hour for stage 2.

So in other words the major time is for X and KDE, I like fluxbox best but I always install kde first then fluxbox