idesk help

cf25 · Apprentice Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 158

so after reading a few posts about idesk i was under the impression that i might be able to use it to add the effect of transparency to my various windows. so i go to the idesk web site to look for specifics. useless. then i try reading more posts here. nothing. so i just said to hell with it and installed it under the assumption that it would have some help files or something. nope.

so i am wondering, how can i find out info about this idesk app? it seems to me to not work unless i use icons, and even then i have many questions. i can post them all here if need be, but i figure it would be easier if someone could point me to some help files or something. any ideas?

Curious · Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:46 am Post subject:

No. I have no idea what you read. iDesk, as described in its portage entry, draws icons in the root window. Those icons can be made transparent. Nothing more. It has nothing to do with windows. Nothing at all.

Congratulations on calling Ivan's webpage useless, I'm sure he'll be pleased to have failed your quality assessment. Everything, believe it or not, that you need to know about iDesk is in the readme file, which is in the tarball in portage. There's not really that much to say - it's a very simple application.

:roll:

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cf25 · Apprentice Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 158

thank you for setting me straight on what idesk is/does. truely appreciated. just for the sake of argument...

Curious · Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2002 10:45 pm Post subject:

cf25 · Apprentice Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 158

you need to calm yourself.

if you honestly expect everyone who ever hears of "idesk" to know its history you are off your damn rocker. i'm oh so pleased that you happen to know all of this, but you are an ass.

secondly, given the "history" you so kindly presented, i understand the situation. i do NOT go back on my original comments that the web page is lacking. it is. if it offends you, perhaps you should do something about it.

lastly, there is a difference between criticizing someone's work and just being critical. i would hope that is someone criticized my work, i would take it with a grain of salt and realize that there are shortcomings or that the critisism is just off target. in either case, i would hope that i wouldnt have to blow up on the person with some obscure history in an effort to make myself feel good.

oh, my respect goes out to ivan for hosting the whole deal. unless it is you. then i dont.

timmfin · Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2002 1:43 am Post subject:

Geeze guys its ok. Lets use the built up energy to improve idesk instead of yelling about it. Take out that anger on your keyboard in vi.

Sorry to be so corny, but can't we all just get along?

KiTaSuMbA · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 430 Location: Naples Italy

As another iDesk user - thanks to Curious threads here :wink:

- I feel I have to add my support to these guys. Ivan's *unofficial* mirror is not the latest and greatest in web design but IMHO is up to the job: it clearly states what iDesk is and how to set it up rapidly on your desktop. iDesk is just another utility for "independent" desktops (non-kde, non-gnome), so I wouldn't expect anything more from its site than a link to download, a short description and some contact info - even the official one.
cf25: criticism can only be welcomed when not only is intended but also appears to be in bona fide and comes along with at least generic suggestions. Are you holding responsible the authors of a program responsible for your misunderstanding of its use? Calling people "asses" because they defend their work in front of someone who obviously and self-admitedly has no clue of what that work is about is neither polite nor constructive.
So, to be constructive:
X currently does *not* support real transparency. The "trick" many apps use is to "paint" their background with a grab of the underlying X root window. This means that such a "pseudo-transparent" window when on top of another one will present the desktop bacground and not the underlying window (which makes the trick pretty much useless). Another trick would be that of grabing an actual "screenshot" of what is behind your app but given that your window can change position as well as everything underlying it, this would require a frequent "refresh" method that turns out to be very laborious and resource consuming.
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cf25 · Apprentice Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 158

i'm glad you decided to come to the rescue here because you obviously were involved. critisism in the form of the site lacks content vs we had problems to back off is the type i was referring to. when i made note of him being an ass in his reply, thats because he was.

like it or not, newbies are interested in all sorts of software, and when we dont understand whats going on we voice our opinions. just because you dont feel you should have to mold your site to us inexperienced folk, doesn't give you the right to be the big brother pain in the butt. regardless of how much you've done for the project.

if i decide to say, "i think the website for gcc is horrible," the last thing i would expect would be for one of the key gcc guys to post back with a go to hell newbie. we dont want your kind.

so IMHO, the web site is only half done and curious was a jerk.

Curious · Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:04 am Post subject:

kraylus · l33t Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 648 Location: ft.worth.tx

haha, that explains your new sig, curious. saw that earlier and had no clue. all is clear! hehe... funny stuff.
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rac · Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:27 am Post subject:

I generally find criticizing volunteers counterproductive. Very rarely do I participate in a conversation where party A calling party B an ass improves the quality of the discussion. A lot of times it's hard for developers to write documentation that makes sense to people who have no idea about what a project is about. Maybe whoever this Ivan is does not have the time, skills or motivation to write web pages in such a way that cf25 would find useful. Criticism is considerably more useful if it is presented in the form of concrete suggestions for improvement that do not increase workload for other people.

And one of Nitro's forum guidelines is "no personal attacks". So just because Curious is wearing jeans that have apparently ripped even further to the point where you can see his ass, please don't assume that that's the entirety of his existence.
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cf25 · Apprentice Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Posts: 158

i see that you also have problems comprehending text. as i am not offended by said web page, i see no reason for me to come up with a solution for a product that i clearly am foreign to. but i will help. I propose this suggestion under the idea of constructive criticism.

www.webpagesthatsuck.com

go there and learn. as i have proposed this website, that already takes me a step further than anything constructive that you have proposed to date. unless you have some more history lesson in store. oh how i do hope.

to rac:

digitalnick · Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:48 pm Post subject:

just my 2 cents

i installed idesk with my fluxbox .... works great.... webpage thought it was lacking however i have been to many projects pages that seem to be lacking and just from reading changlogs i can see why. developers leave things happen and generally people spend more time working on the actual code than documentation or how it is displayed to the world. any way i have found it helpful not to make negative comments about things. instead of saying the web page is lacking suggest a specific improvement and developers tend to respond much better .

kappax · Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:45 am Post subject:

Curious is the man/woman!! we would have crapy idesk without him/her (sorry dont know your gender).

and the idesk site was just fine for me, i got the package and installed it and it worked.

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