Desktop Debian

HeadHolio · Guru Joined: 10 Aug 2002 Posts: 445

Check this out. Any thoughts about this or a similar Gentoo project?

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

The Reference Platform seems close enough to me. I didn't read much of the Debian link though.
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Lovechild · Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2002 10:11 pm Post subject:

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

In that case, I hope the core developers don't waste their time on a Desktop Gentoo (at least not similar to the Debian project).
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B_F_Skinner · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 5:00 am Post subject: Gentoo Desktop Unnecessary

I think it is fair to say that many users of Gentoo (myself included) are immigrants from the land of Debian. I have great respect for the Debian community. Gentoo bears many similarities to Debian, and adopts a social contract based on Debian's. Debian is great, has an awesome community, has generally helpful folks in forums, etc., and is rock solid stable, but it lacks newer software (it is the only major distribution listed on Distrowatch that still has not migrated to Gnome2, to list an obvious example.) Libranet does a pretty good job of providing a Debian-based distro for the desktop. I'm sure there are others.

And, while Gentoo is similar to Debian, and even attracts some Debian users, does not need to be any different to attract users. Users need user-friendly distros (Mandrake, Redhat, Lycoris) to become familiar with Linux. Some will be happy there. Others will migrate to Gentoo, or other more challenging distros to install, that may require some configuring by hand, etc. This is just the way the Penguin is.

IMHO, Gentoo offers the best of package management, current software, and "close to the box" configuration. I wouldn't change a thing about the "core" of Gentoo, although I would encourage development in terms of new ebuilds, platforms, etc. (Of course, I am just Joe User, and my humble opinion should be rated as just that, the opinion of this particular Joe User).

If you want a fat penguin, go find one. If you want a trim, fast, no-nonesense penguin, use Gentoo. If you don't want a penguin at all, there is always Microsoft

[smeagol] · Apprentice Joined: 24 Oct 2002 Posts: 152

slackware hasn't migrated to gnome 2 yet.

just a side note
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B_F_Skinner · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:36 am Post subject:

Sorry, my bad. I don't really consider Slackware a "major distro" even though it is listed. According to Rute's Linux User's Tutorial and Exposition, Slackware "is a pain to install and manage, although school kids who don't know any better love it."

Before you flame me on this one, I would like to tell a little story. I got bashed in a Slack Forum for asking a "stupid" question, and was advised to follow the above link. After reading it, I switched to Debian. Ironic, huh?

Evangelion · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 9:57 am Post subject:

[quote="Lovechild"]

jondkent · Apprentice Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Posts: 289 Location: London

Hi,

Debian really do need to speed things up on the release front. KDE3 is being held up by the gcc 3.2 migration, no idea why, but once that is done KDE3 will make it into unstable and then testing. Of course it won't make it into stable for ages, so those that want/need to stick with stable will just have to wait.

Judging from previous history, the next stable version of Debian won't be out until end of 2003 at the earliest. Not that this is a big issue, but nevertheless means that upon each stable release Debian seems to get further behind the curve.

Does Debian need a desktop focused group? Probably, but I'd prefer to see them speed up releases a bit and maybe refocus some areas. The reason why XFree86 4.2 took so long is because they make sure it works across all platform, where most of the users are running x86 kit. The best route would be to release x86 packages as soon as they are ready and release space/ppc stuff as soon as they are ready, rather than wait for everything to be in place.

There was a interesting article (can't remember where) which asked if Debian is losing mind share and I think to a degree they are. I started using Gentoo because I wanted more flexibility and more up to date software and got fed up waiting for Debian to release stuff. That said, I would still run Debian as a server.

'nuff said

Jon

Evangelion · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 3:40 pm Post subject:

pjp · Administrator Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067

Lovechild · Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2002 1:02 pm Post subject:

[quote="Evangelion"]

Evangelion · Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:07 pm Post subject:

[quote="Lovechild"]

B_F_Skinner · Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:30 am Post subject:

I just heard Debian has Gnome2 in unstable now.

inconnu · n00b Joined: 30 Oct 2002 Posts: 8

[quote="Evangelion"]

Lovechild · Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:47 pm Post subject:

Ahhh the Debian Cabal theory has returned...

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