Webpage Design

lghman · Guru Joined: 29 Nov 2002 Posts: 548 Location: Florida

I am getting ready to start a webpage project, when I was overwhelmed with the pleathra of choices. I was just wondering what everyone thought the best one was? I want the page to be fairly interactive, but it dosent have to be all flash or something. I was looking at Java, Php, xml, html, there are sooooo many.

I do plan on putting a considerable amount of time on this page, so me having to learn a language is not the issue. Just want it to look good. I have a basic idea of the page layout and such, just want some info on what eveyones favorite web language is and why?

Thanks

--sonik

slartibartfasz · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:32 am Post subject:

i use mostly html, as little javascript as possible and handle all the interactive stuff with perl - reason: i'm not a programmer and perl takes care of all the gory details... if u want to do modular pages take a look at html::mason (www.masonhq.com) of php... these are the most used an there is a lot of prebuild code - u dont have to reinvent the wheel again

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ronmon · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:17 am Post subject:

Whatever else you do, I would recommend structuring your pages with Cascading Style Sheets, especially linked CSS. That way, you can edit one file and the change will take effect across the entire site. It's quite powerful and often overlooked. The tutorial is great and it's pretty easy to learn.

slartibartfasz · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:22 am Post subject:

SpoonMeiser · n00b Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 62

I'd try and avoid Javascript and Flash. Flash is more often than not, unneccessary bloat on a web page. Javascript isn't supported on some of the more basic browsers.

Personally, I think that anything beyond HTML and CSS should be kept server-side if at all possible. You want the page to be able to be read by as many people as possible, so you don't want to depend on users having the correct plugins and compatable browsers.

I use CGI and Perl (ie. I write Perl programs that create webpages, if you don't know what CGI is). There's a basic tutorial at www.cgi101.com, but rather than pay for the remaining chapters once you've done with those, you can find any other information you need over at www.perldoc.com

kraylus · l33t Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 648 Location: ft.worth.tx

few links of interest if you're just starting out:

http://www.htmlgoodies.com/primers/basics.html (outdated and aimed at windows users but good nonetheless)
http://www.richinstyle.com/ (few good tutorials on CSS and html)
http://www.bignosebird.com/ (cgi tutorials and free cgi scripts)
http://www.scriptarchive.com/ (more free cgi scripts)
http://www.webmonkey.com/ (good resource to learn php, sql, flash, etc.)
http://php.resourceindex.com/ (the motherload of php scripts)
http://cgi.resourceindex.com/ (same as above, cept for cgi)

that should be a good starting point for ya. i started with htmlgoodies about 5 or so years ago and i'm doing fairly well. i'm not an expert, but i get by.

check out http://www.kraylus.com/ - listed there are some sites my wife and i put together over the past couple years (the ones we're proud of and that still exist

) note: we use notepad, cutehtml, htmltools, and things like that. frontpage and dreamweaver (or any WYSIWYG editor) is frowned upon

)

ryan
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kutsuya · Retired Dev Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Posts: 189

lghman · Guru Joined: 29 Nov 2002 Posts: 548 Location: Florida

Wow thanks to all of you! I decieded to use a mixture of php, html, and css. Maybe even some cgi?

thanks again

--drew

slartibartfasz · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:46 am Post subject:

charlieg · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:36 pm Post subject: all you need to know

CSS and Perl my friend, CSS and Perl.
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axxackall · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Zope Webpage Design

kraylus · l33t Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 648 Location: ft.worth.tx

reuarding zope:

i've come to find that zope doesn't serve pages well to people with msie 5.5. probably other versions too.

i know we're all linux users here, but if you're wanting your page to be viewed by the widest range of people possible, you would want to stay away from zope. stick with the tried and true.

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Can O' Beans · n00b Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 50

http://oswd.org/ has freely downloadable page styles. You could start with one of these, and/or just disect it & learn how they work.

axxackall · Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Zope Webpage Design

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axxackall · Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Zope Webpage Design

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axxackall · Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:57 pm Post subject:

I've just check and found that Portage requires Python >= 2.2.1 - so no Portage anymore after downgrading, what else?

From the other point I've fixed the ebuild and created the link python2->python2.1 and Zope has been compiled, installed and even started (with some warnings). Atlhough I wouldn't put such hack for the production system.

Now I am positive that Zope must be masked.

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axxackall · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:11 am Post subject:

oops, forgot to answer:

I confirm that Python is slotted and there is no problem with Zope and other Python-dependent programs. Sorry, I didn't understand slots in a first place.

Writing myself few ebuilds helped to understand many useful things

By the way, Zope-2.6.1 is great. I use it in a couple of weeks with my own ebuild. But now, with official ebuild it's even better - I can recommend it officially at my work.

Looking forward to see Zope-2.7. But really itching to see 3.0

mallchin · Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject:

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