OTW will be deleted soon

klieber · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:38 am Post subject: OTW will be deleted soon

Bet that got your attention...

Folks, we have a serious problem with OTW. At the risk of oversimplifying it, people just can't seem to get along. This particular forum has very little to do with Gentoo, yet it consumes a *tremendous* amount of our resources. Roughly 90% of the time we spend moderating is spent in this forum. The same forum that, by it's very nature, has nothing to do with Gentoo.

There are a number of reasons for this, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to an inability to be civil to one another. I have no idea why this basic social skill is so difficult for some folks to grasp. Disagreeing with each other is perfectly fine. Lashing out at one another is not.

These forums are primarily designed to help folks install and use Gentoo. OTW is not part of this goal and, as such, if it continues to be a demilitarized minefield where we have to spend hours and hours patrolling and policing to maintain order, it will simply disappear.

We dont want to do this. I, especially, dont want to do this. I view OTW as one of the primary reasons for the success of the Gentoo forums to-date. That said, we need to continually re-evaluate the state of affairs and ensure that were acting in the best interest of the Gentoo community. If we continue to have to devote 90% of our moderation time to OTW, thats a pretty good indication that we may not be serving the needs of the Gentoo community as well as we might otherwise.

So, Im going to ask for your help. Please police yourselves dont crank up the rhetoric or the emotions when talking about volatile subjects like religion or politics. Keep things civil, keep them polite and keep them courteous. That way, we can all keep enjoying OTW.

Thanks.

--kurt

edit: Made unsticky, seems things seem at least acceptable at the moment. Please don't mess up OTW though.

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dawnmarie · n00b Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 34 Location: nyc

well if it does get deleted www.o-t-w.org will be up soon can you point a link over there for us

foress_89 · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:45 am Post subject:

owww I only spend time here while I try to install Gentoo on my pc..

Moloch · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:47 am Post subject:

Please people if you must cause trouble. Do it were it's ok. :wink:

http://otw.psytrip.org/
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brenden · l33t Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Calgary, AB

otw is a great thing, it sounds like it's doomed though. i somehow doubt people will ever be able to restrain themselves. i think it will have a dramatic effect on the great community though, which is why we're (me & slyde) already working on a replacement for otw if it gets toasted.

lisa · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:51 am Post subject:

Kurt,

Hopefully in time the powers that be can re-evaluate OTW's existance.
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KungFuHamster · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:52 am Post subject:

Damnit! Just when I get a (somewhat) available Internet connection after nearly five months of no computer access, my favorite forum is getting axed.

Sonofabitch.
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klieber · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:54 am Post subject:

Just to be clear, the title of this thread is intended more to get people to read the post. There are no definite plans to kill OTW at this time. (though it absolutely is being actively discussed)

Whether or not it really does get killed off is entirely up to you all. If you can behave and be civil, it will continue to exist as long as these forums exist. If you can't, it won't.

--kurt
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Moloch · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:56 am Post subject:

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plbe · l33t Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 661

Not that its the most sensible idea and people should know how to act, but how about a moderator whos only purpose is to watch over off the wall?

Moloch · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:05 am Post subject:

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brenden · l33t Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Calgary, AB

lets let anyone mod otw!

skyfolly · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:08 am Post subject:

Nice, agree, been there, done that, thanks a lot!

I am going to lose a little bit sense of belonging, that's all. I do agree that some dudes are out of control and it is waste of resources to host it here. Since 99% of my posts go in here, I find myself doomed in Gentoo Forums.

Obvious enough, this is a sad thing for me.
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klieber · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:14 am Post subject:

Dr Gonzo · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:28 am Post subject:

I say, let it go, and point anybody who wants to BS to Slyde's site, http://otw.psytrip.org instead.

That, or post a HUGE disclaimer about not being responsible for OTW, and don't mess with it at all.

I dunno. I've never been in the moderating business, but as an OTW poster (I try not to personally attack people, by the way, and usually post in order to have interesting conversation), I can safely say that I think it's ridiculous for you guys to spend that much time on OTW. Do whatever is easiest for you guys, and we'll all understand.

OTW is a fun diversion, but the other forums are the ones that are truly useful. I don't think you'd lose many, if any, current Gentoo users by closing OTW.

BTW, thanks for everything, Kurt.
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http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=266606

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Bohemian · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:55 am Post subject:

#otw
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paranode · l33t Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 679 Location: Texas

Delete it, it's counterproductive to Gentoo.
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AllTom · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:16 am Post subject:

Are the people that make the Gentoo forums famous for support the same people that would consider leaving if the OTW forum were deleted?
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