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What's your status about LiveDVD?
I made it myself and use it (can you share it for us?)
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
I downloaded it (URL please!)
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
It is impossible (explain, please)
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
It might be possible, but it'd be useless (explain, why)
15%
 15%  [ 14 ]
I want it too!
80%
 80%  [ 72 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: LiveDVD Reply with quote

LiveCD is excelent to begin installation, or to fix some problems. But the volume is limited by 700MB - not musch to keep tools, no need to mention distfiles.

On the other hand DVD can keep up to 4.7GB - enough to keep all distfiles and most of binary-precompiled packages too.

So, where are we with Gentoo LiveDVD? Has anyone tried it yet? Is it possible at all?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a long download...

In all seriousness though, if someone was to make it and throw it up on the gentoo store along with the LiveCDs, I'm sure people would buy it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't think that any of the livecds aree full, so until GRP gets a lot more pkgs a livedvd isn't necessary.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get about 2Gb on a CD with the compressed loop filesystem, like Knoppix does.

A single Gentoo DVD is possible but DVDs are more expensive to produce, so its not good value for money. There are also at least two incompatible standards of DVD DIY, so it would have to be a mastered silver disk.

Ask LinuxFormat to give it away as a cover mount - Bootable Gentoo DVD. They have don it with other distros.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I just realized I voted wrong. I have a bootable Gentoo LiveDVD (an old one, but nevertheless I have one) from one of the old linux magazines. I believe it was linux format, and I probably still have it around somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it IS possible, does anyone know a procedure how to make my own bootable DVD?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

axxackall,

The iso9660 filesystem doesn't break until the volume size gets to 4Gb, then it starts to fracture rather than die. You can have files past this limit but not directories. Luckly, directories are all grouped at the start of the session (or disk, if its a single session disk)

Make yourself a boot floopy image file, collect together all the files you want on CD/DVD, put it together in the right order with the right names and give it a go.

I recommend RW media until you get it right
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

axxackall wrote:
if it IS possible, does anyone know a procedure how to make my own bootable DVD?

wouldnt the catalyst stuff the developers are working on be perfect for this

personaly i cant see the point of 4,7 gigs of programs to run in ram knoppix like cds are fine for error recovery, newbies trying it out etc but harddisks are cheap and the performance is so much better
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the "it probably can be done, and its probably usefull, but I don't want it because I have high-speed internet connection" 8)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random extra feature that nobody wants/needs : It would be so cool if you could pop it in a normal DVD player and have it play a presentation/movie about gentoo and its benefits :-D
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear knoppix is working on a livedvd wich does seem more useful than a gentoo one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gentoo LiveCD (nostages) takes about 10% of a CD, mainly because it hasn't got X, KDE, GNOME and other space-hungry apps. The Official Gentoo LiveCD is good not only because it's a very stripped-down and functional system, but also because the download is rather small to download. That is more important to me than anything else.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

etnoy wrote:
The Official Gentoo LiveCD is good not only because it's a very stripped-down and functional system, but also because the download is rather small to download. That is more important to me than anything else.


When it comes to download the image - I agree. But my original point is different.

We, Gentoo users, don't download the image of our OS (like RH users do) - instead, we build it. It means we install a bootstrap and tell the system what we want on it and the systsem will download what's necessary, compile it and install it.

In a similar way I see LiveDVD. I don't see it as a 4.7 GB image that you download and burn. You don't need it. Instead I can see a script that, being told what do you want on LiveDVD to be installed, would build and install it there.

I don't understand people who advise here "build it yourself". Yes I want to build it myself. But I need a guideline for it. Building DVD is already a bit different than a building of CD. Building a bootable DVD is absolutely diffeent thing. If you don't understand it then you needguidelines for it too. And that is my point.

I think that Gentoo community will benefit if we will have "HOWTO build bootable LiveDVD" guide. If it will (and it should) have a comlimentary script doing the final burning step - that will be appreciated by many people as I can see from this poll.

I encourage eveyone who has any usefull links, or any usefull advises, or any usefull scriptlets for building own bootable LiveDVD - drop it here. If I'll gother them enough to build it - I'll promise to publish it on "Docs and tricks" forum for everyone usage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

axxackall,

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I don't understand people who advise here "build it yourself". Yes I want to build it myself. But I need a guideline for it. Building DVD is already a bit different than a building of CD. Building a bootable DVD is absolutely diffeent thing. If you don't understand it then you needguidelines for it too. And that is my point.


Not if you use and iso9660 filesystem on the DVD. then its just a big CD.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i trieds to do my own one, this is what i did, i used winISO to open up the gentoo livecd iso image and just added about 2gb of pre compiled binaries i made. thats it i didnt mess with any setting ewtc..

at that was it it booted the gentoo boot screen cam up but when you press enter it failed on initrd?? no idea what to do now ?

this would be cool that way i could make pre compiled packages and place on live cd 4GB to play with as well

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well. i have a bootable mandrake 9.2_rc2 dvd.
works quite well too. i got it from a linux magazine that i suscribe to.
of course, why use the bootable dvd? .. i gots me a gentoo :D

(i've thought about making a bootable custom gentoo dvd for about a year now.)
Im quite suprised that nobody has attempted atleast an "experimental" bootable dvd!
With all of the innovative people that run gentoo on a normal basis, and nobody has
yet to do this. c'mon people!

the iso9660 filesystem would do, but sheesh.. even 3ish gig of binaries would cut
a big portion out of the cake. (not to mention playing with the limits of the iso9660
filesystem and pushing 4+gig)

anyways, i hope something comes about this. its a great idea!
but better yet, what about something, like a knoppix-like enviroment.
where you have your favorite DE, and stuff.. running straight from dvd.
oh the possibilities :twisted:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it's 4.5 Gb's ;). The temporary solution I can think of now, is to boot the pc with a standard gentoo live cd and then switch to your custom made dvd. This way you don't have to worry about getting your dvd bootable. But if someone wants to write a how-to about making a bootable livedvd, by all means, go ahead!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wolvenwraith wrote:
Actually, I just realized I voted wrong. I have a bootable Gentoo LiveDVD (an old one, but nevertheless I have one) from one of the old linux magazines. I believe it was linux format, and I probably still have it around somewhere.


I also have this DVD. Out of date now though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm this thread is quite old...
never stumbled over it. i am working for some time now (with long delays inbetween) on a gentoo based livedvd. currently it uses a 2.6.9 kernel with udev (hotplugging). at the moment development paused again. i need to adapt locations of the gl-libs to get opengl-update working (no 3d-accel for nvidia at the moment). my ibm t42 (ati mobile 7500 :( ) however starts with 3d-acceleration already :)

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=275608&highlight=livedvd
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm. No DVD drive.
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