http://gentoo-{wiki,portage}.com doesnt work for me?

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject:

nmp0906,

There is no 'them' and 'us' in Gentoo.
Gentoo is a community, so there is only 'we'.

Looking to your community spirit, what are you, as a member of the Gentoo community, prepared to donate ?
gentoo-wiki.com is not a part of the Gentoo project. It is not run on any Gentoo Foundation owned or sponsored hardware.
When/if the site comes back up, please contact the operators with offers of servers, internet bandwidth or even donations towards the costs of operating the site.
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those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail.

nmp0906 · n00b Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 71 Location: United States

If only it was hosted by Google Apps... j/k. Google Apps has enough downtime of its own.

DrAgOnTuX · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject:

There is a 'we' in Gentoo?
So why WE haven't a wiki where user/devs can write down their tutorials? A forum is IMHO not such a good place. :roll:

d2_racing · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject:

nmp0906 · n00b Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 71 Location: United States

Agreed. gentoo-wiki.com fills in nicely a hole that the Gentoo Foundation has. However, "community" extends beyond the Gentoo Foundation and its direct users to incorporate any and all users, supporters, and providers of Gentoo and Gentoo related stuffs. It is everybody working together. Though, that doesn't really help with the fact that gentoo-wiki.com is still down and I'd like to use it.

DrAgOnTuX · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject:

as long as you can't reach the "unofficial" wiki, try google cache:
e.g. http://www.google.com/search?strip=1&q=cache:http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Portage_alternative_-_Paludis

as long as you don't know the url, you'll have to wait :lol:

edit: fixed googe.com -> google.com
edit2: added "strip=1" parameter -> the browser doesn't try to fetch css and images from dead server

nmp0906 · n00b Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 71 Location: United States

Yea, that didn't work. I tried that for the Asus F3SV Hardware page by doing a Google search and selecting cached. Even that link you provided doesn't work.

JeliJami · Veteran Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1086 Location: Belgium

nmp0906 · n00b Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 71 Location: United States

Oh snap. Still hangs with a blank page though.

DrAgOnTuX · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject:

Gwiz · n00b Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 5

Hi

I asked their ISP if they know something about gentoo-wiki and they said the guy is out of town for a few days and the sites will be up when he comes back :lol:

i don't know if they were making fun of me or if this is the truth

( BTW this happened yesterday)

mimosinnet · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject:

Se7enLC · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 88

This topic comes up fairly often. There is a place for static pages, wikis, web forums, and mailing lists, and they are all slightly different.

The official documentation on gentoo.org makes sense to have as static documents. They've been written,edited, checked, and should be as up-to-date as any documentation there is for gentoo. However, the nature of the beast says that it can't cover all topics (too much work in editing and updating), and it can't ever be bleeding edge (editing takes time).

Forums are good for a quick answer. "Hey, I'm having a problem with my ____" "oh hey, I had that problem, try patchset xyz". This is a great purpose. But if you are searching through to find something, you end up finding a lot of suggestions that didn't work for that person, and a LOT of outdated information. You'll read through a 10 page thread about your hardware, only to find on page 8 that somebody mentions "oh, you don't need to do that anymore, that was only kernels older than 2.6.9" or something, thereby negating all the how-tos. Some threads are great, and they original poster goes back and edits the first post to include a lot of information. That's basically doing the job of a wiki.

Wikis are good for information that changes at a medium rate. It's not so static that you can write it in stone, but it changes infrequently enough that you want to have a copy of it available for reference. It puts all the information in one place and makes it easy to add or correct something. When compared to a forum post, a wiki can just contain a simple "This method is outdated, try this instead". A forum post generally will only contain that tag in a reply on a distant page.

Mailing lists are good for VERY quick responses, but are lacking a lot of features for information retention and organization.

So to get back on topic - boo for gentoo-wiki being down! I wanted to add some notes and examples to the howto I followed on setting up HTB.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject:

Se7enLC,

You have made some very convincing arguments for Gentoo to maintain a wiki.
Maybe it could happen if the pages had a health warning about the content ?
The climate to allow this sort of change may be better in the wake of the movement to try to operate the Gentoo project more as a 'we', that came out of the publicity surrounding the Gentoo Foundation.

Let me encourage you to file a bug making the case.
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Computer users fall into two groups:-
those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail.

Gwiz · n00b Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 5

AllenJB · Veteran Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 1285

If Gentoo were to start an "official" wiki, I believe they shouldn't start with the content of the current gentoo wiki. It's too disorganised and has too much obsolete, irrelevant, wrong or just messy material. Any new wiki should, I believe, start from scratch with strict rules on page naming and formatting. This is somewhere where gentoo-wiki went wrong - they've had too little oversight for too long and now any tidying up is just a drop in the ocean of messyness that it has become.

Eckos · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

I agree we need to have an official wiki because gentoo-wiki has alot of outdate things. And a bunch of other things people have said. Is there a way of this happening

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject:

Eckos,

mimosinnet · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:

Simba7 · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject:

Heck, I even use the wiki. I've been experimenting with Reiser4 and gentoo-sources and it's a decent tutorial. I'm glad that section is maintained well with the kernel updates coming out.

-Craig- · Guru Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 333

...and currently it's down.

It would be very cool, if it ran more stable...

seqizz · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 103

Ohh, sh*t.. is it hacked again

Simba7 · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:59 am Post subject:

Thank god for Google Cache.

I'd better print it before it disappears.

rzZzn · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:04 am Post subject:

It's Back!!!

Bill Cosby · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:11 am Post subject:

Gentoo wiki is among the best wikis, that's because it actually is the most distro independent.
However, I always thought, that a common source of knowledge for Linux would be good, and there actually is such an effort, namely The Linux Documentation Project, it would be coold if both would actually merge their knowledge to have it all more centralized, and the TLDP guys seem to have good servers

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