Your Gentoo: what init system do you use?

eccerr0r · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:27 am Post subject:

For those who have some one way and some the other...why?

Yes I feel like someday I will be assimilated completely into systemd so I figure I should try to figure it out sooner than later. With Gnome 3 as well.
Why I stuck it onto my i7 (deskstop) and i5 (laptop)? They're t he machines I own with SSDs on them, and wondered what they'll do... have to say... OMG... Boot time? What is boot time? (then again, suspend/resume work fine on these machines.)

My OpenRC systems include my VM server (core2quad), PVR (openrc for now at least, core2duo), two other laptops (atom w/ssd, pentium-m). My virtual server running on my VM server is also openrc as well as my Geode GX1 server.
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khayyam · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject:

eccerr0r · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:48 pm Post subject:

Nah, just wondering about those who wanted to use it on some machines and not others, whether it's the same as me - wanting to see what it's like, or whether it was forced by Gnome3... Those that made all their boxes systemd I can understand because it reduces maintenance costs over all their machines.

Yes I expect repeats of what I ended up doing, but nevertheless.

Remember that Systemd is still FOSS.

And Windows is losing market share...
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Shamus397 · Apprentice Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 218 Location: Ur-th

OpenRC, on all my systems. I've seen the direction that SystemD wants to take me, and that way madness lies. So no thanks!

And to those who think that it's inevitable that SystemD will take over the world, isn't that what was said about PulseAudio? Yet, here it is, the middle of 2014, and none of my systems have that software on it and they all play sound very well (you can have my jackd when you pry it from my cold, dead hands

). Oops, just veered into politics there! I guess I'll just shut my mouth now.

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eccerr0r · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:01 pm Post subject:

All Systemd is less maintenance costs than having a mixture of openrc and systemd machines. I still wonder why people see any bonus in systemd and quick to refute it out of context.
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khayyam · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:38 pm Post subject:

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Yamakuzure · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:52 am Post subject:

I have openrc on all of my systems, because it works. There is (currently) absolutely no reason for me to switch. I have heard the next KDE incantation will make (optional) use of some systemd features (socket activation) if it is installed. So once the new KDE is there, I'll see if I have any advantages by switching to systemd, I won't have any problem doing so.

But it will be the same as with PulseAudio. I have no advantage by using PulseAudio, so I keep it off my systems. Too much of an overkill for an audi-less work station or a laptop. And I never had the need to use Skype, lucky me...

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greyspoke · Apprentice Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 171

openrc on a home server because it was the default. systemd on a desktop because I wanted to try Gnome out.

systemd was not too bad to set up and, to be honest, most of the problems I did have were caused by tryiing to understand systemd rather than just getting on with it. I only had to create one .service file, for anacrontab. But in deciding to try Gnome I also realised that I would just have to accept things a certain way and not try to do them differently. I will probably go back to a bare-bones DE in time, and may then revert to openrc. Having experienced systemd, I wouldn't put it on the server as I like to know exactly what is going on there and I still don't feel I do with systemd.

eccerr0r · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:17 pm Post subject:

I feel the exact same way... My server (VM server) and the outward facing server (VM on that machine) both are running OpenRC as I'm not quite ready to use systemd. I also hope that it remains a viable option to not use systemd... hopefully forever, or at least when it comes time I have to rebuild the machine AND I understand the inner workings of systemd.

Hopefully working with it on my more "expendable" workstations I'll get more accustomed to working with it.
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mackal · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 04 Aug 2011 Posts: 92

After all the crying people did in the thread/mailing list about upower, I decided to try out systemd. I haven't regretted that decision. Better boot times, a lot of tools all integrated nicely. I also decided to try out the GNOME Classic mode (main reason I didn't before was because of OpenRC) I haven't regretted that decision either.

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GreatEmerald · n00b Joined: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 18

Voted "all systemd", although technically it's "all but one systemd, and that one is currently compiling its prerequisites". I switched to systemd fairly early and have no intention of switching back. That one system is a tablet that has little space, so I kept OpenRC for a while, but nowadays the size difference doesn't make up for the loss in functionality.

Gatsby · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:13 pm Post subject:

Ant P. · Watchman Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 6920

OpenRC on all my Gentoo boxes, though I'd prefer to try runit some time.

I do have an old debian netbook that got their systemd update; it stopped booting properly the same day, and I can't find the root of the problem because it's a twisted mess of little black boxes. It'll be running OpenRC next time I do get it to boot...

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^ There goes the "NO POLITICS here" idea...

steveL · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:31 am Post subject:

nlsa8z6zoz7lyih3ap · Guru Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 388 Location: Canada

I have switched everything, 2 laptops and 2 desktops, to systemd.
Personally, I prefer openrc. In my opinion it is more in sync with the philosophy behind the original development of the gnu userland with gpl.
I am old enough to remember my excitement when I learnt that this project had started and my pleasure when I was first able to use it with the linux kernel.

However I fear that it will be increasingly harder to maintain systems without openrc, so I made the switch to systemd.

Having said that, systemd seems to perform just fine.

I am following "Ye Olde Gentoo" with interest as I was perfectly happy in the old days with a static /dev

PS I am very suspicious of Red Had because I got very badly bitten by their gcc-2.96 about 10 years ago, which caused me great deal of wasted effort in my own work.
(cf https://lkml.org/lkml/2000/12/14/154) I can only hope that systemd will be more reliable than that.

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