Your Gentoo: what init system do you use?

eccerr0r · Last edited by eccerr0r on Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:36 pm; edited 1 time in total

I'm curious.

For all of your Gentoo machines, which of these apply?

Me, most of my boxes running Gentoo are mostly OpenRC. My Core-i7 and i5 are Systemd, and just about everything else is OpenRC after the upgrade from sysvinit.

Dang, if I had tried sticking to plain sysvinit and masked openrc back then... world of hurt...

Oh -- NO POLITICS here. Do it at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-983808-start-75.html instead.

edit: Changed title as suggested, this is not a systemd vs openrc war despite these are the two main Gentoo options.

Chiitoo · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:12 am Post subject: ><)))°€

Cool poll.

I've been pondering a bit why I haven't been seeing one of these!

I'm all for OpenRC. I'm pretty confident systemd is not entering my systems, ever, in any way or fashion. Even if this was a politics thread, I would not go in length to the whyes. It simply is!

Then again, I'm also all for static-dev which makes me one of the more odd ones(?), though it's not that I'm calling that odd. In any case, shhh, don't tell anyone yet because I've not got back into things I need to be doing with regards to that...

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krinn · Watchman Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 7470

I would say you have 3 kind of choices for init : political, technical and popularity.
I understand why you try to avoid politics when speaking about init, so only technical and popularity remain.

The poll questions suggest it's not a query for technical answers, so it must be popularity poll.
As of today as "just because it's gentoo default init system", the poll winner should only be openrc. Just like the same popularity poll in arch linux forum should gives systemd as winner.

But as everyone knows gnome profile use systemd, and your poll didn't expose gnome users population ; the poll could be seen as a way to flaw results to promote systemd by suggesting even as default init ; many users drop openrc for systemd.
Proving by gnome popularity some technical superiority of systemd over openrc. But it would be then politic...

So what your poll is trying to answer if you really aren't doing politic there?

Navar · Guru Joined: 20 Aug 2012 Posts: 353

I do understand where you're coming from Krinn.

@OP, would you consider renaming the subject to simply match the poll: What init system do you use?

fturco · Veteran Joined: 08 Dec 2010 Posts: 1181 Location: Italy

I'm a GNOME user so I have systemd.

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8935

All OpenRC, and it is going to stay that way as long as it doesn't get too painful to run a comfortable desktop system - no problem right now. Servers will keep OpenRC much longer.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:58 am Post subject:

After making some choices on technical merit my package.mask finishes with.

griever · n00b Joined: 24 Sep 2002 Posts: 57

OpenRC.

Because it works. It's part of how I learned to get around Gentoo. And I haven't found a compelling reason to change...

GFCCAE6xF · Apprentice Joined: 06 Aug 2012 Posts: 295

All systemd here, using it since 2011 without issues

Also, I have no physical machines left with Gentoo - I only have a few systemd-nspawn containers running it and I like to those to be fully booting rather than basic chroot style so systemd is a must.

Edit: FWIW If you'd have made this a month or so ago I still had a physical box on openRC, sorry poll

szatox · Advocate Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 3129

Actually krinn has a point, this pool is done wrong way.

It should either be plain list of inits or list of inits with common resons.
Plain list with names only, wouldn't build emotions. "Because it's default" means "i'm to stupid or too lazy to pick something better". C'mon, if you want to actually learn something keep your comments aside. You're influencing results the way you're doing it now.

List like:

openrc / default
openrc / chosen
systemd / forced by kde/gnome
systemd / chosen
upstart
busybox
custom

would let people say what they use and why

mv · Watchman Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 6747

"Half openrc / half systemd" (since in grub I need a default choice, I have currently selected systemd. So perhaps currently saying "mostly systemd" would be more correct, but this might quickly change again...).

Originally, I installed systemd in parallel because I felt that someday I might be forced anyway;
moreover, to provide support for packages like squashmount also for systemd users, I needed it for testing.

Now it turned out a very good idea to have two (fully!) working boot systems in parallel: I could already use one to locate and fix a (hard to analyze) bug in my configuration of the other - in both directions.

c00l.wave · Apprentice Joined: 24 Aug 2003 Posts: 264

All OpenRC. While I could see a reason to migrate to systemd some time in the future on my desktops, servers etc. will surely stay on OpenRC for long unless required otherwise. Reason? OpenRC worked fine before and still does. "Never change a running system."

(Plus, systemd still feels too early to be put in production on remote servers.)
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Naib · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject:

All opencd from the moment roy pushed it into the tree and asked me to try it for a new build (hosed my system

but that was a node making issue as a needed package wasn't bumped not openrc)
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Fran · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:18 pm Post subject:

Moved to pure systemd a little over a year ago. Love the instant startup/shutdown (literally instant with an SSD). I also like (*gasp*) journalctl. And I don't give a fuck about it not being "the unix way"

mv · Watchman Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 6747

khayyam · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:14 pm Post subject:

Navar · Guru Joined: 20 Aug 2012 Posts: 353

tld · Veteran Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 1816

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hasufell · Retired Dev Joined: 29 Oct 2011 Posts: 429

OpenRC, because I like diversity, choice and modularity.

eccerr0r · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:32 pm Post subject:

I had thought about the Gnome3 issue, but thought if one did not approve of systemd, it itself should have enough deterrence to stop one from installing gnome3. If however you didn't care, then well, now you're a systemd user. Yes it would be interesting to know who's using systemd without Gnome3 and I should have added that in for fun.

But all in all, yes, this was intended to be a popularity contest. Since Gentoo offers both, it can also be viewed as a way to escape from the systemd collective. And with the default being openrc, it's no wonder with these two facts, most are openrc users. And I made this into a time limited poll as I'm sure people may switch in the future.

But it does look like there is quite a few systemd users, and have to thank the Gentoo devs that made it possible, it must be h**l to keep both working.
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OmegaSW · n00b Joined: 30 Apr 2014 Posts: 9

Now that both Debian and Ubuntu are going to switch to Systemd instead of Upstart, not using Systemd will become rather difficult eventually. Systemd whether you like it or hate it has become the defacto standard init system, and more and more software will make it a dependency.

Gnome was just the beginning, and we'll start seeing more in the very near future. I'm using Systemd now so that I do not have to worry about compatibility issues later.

warrens · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:59 am Post subject:

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mrbassie · l33t Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 772 Location: over here

openrc. I wouldn't touch systemd with a shitty stick.