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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Anatomy+of+a+Malware+distribution+campaign/17459
Asshole.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

:lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Anatomy+of+a+Malware+distribution+campaign/17459
Asshole.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good song.

But back on topic, thanks for explaining your position. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am surprised not to have heard of this if it is doing what you believe. Users of Android seem like the community which would seek out that kind of app/OS behavior.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't frequent Android forums but most of the people I know using Android seem to have the same complaint (because data is expensive).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant was that with other "questionable" traffic, people have done investigation to see where the traffic is going to "prove" such activity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you install ethreal on Android? Even if you did and saw a lot of traffic going to Google, how would you know what data is going through it? Supposedly it is encrypted.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've spent very little time with Android, so I'm not the one to ask.

google search for android wireshark wrote:
If you want to capture the traffic on the android device (to see 3G traffic), that's only possible if you root the device. Then you can install tcpdump (or other similar software. search google for "android tcpdump").

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A rooted device is not a baseline for testing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure it is. If it demonstrates appreciably different behavior, then that would increase the likelihood of suspicious activity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it isn't.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've proven why it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No you haven't because you have nothing to compare it to, with ethreal.

And besides, if we take your argument then we could replace a rooted device with any other OS, which is easier to see.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much ignorance in one thread. :lol: :P
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the hell is "Unified Daemon" and why don't any of my devices seem to have it? And yes, Google is tracking your location. What's more, you consented to this when you setup the device. If you want to turn it off...

App Drawer -> Google Settings -> Location -> Google Location Reporting

The ads you're complaining about are how some third-party apps are funded.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'Unified Daemon (EUR)' is a system process in Galaxy S4.
I don't have third party apps other than Yahoo weather and stocks and each of them show up separately in data usage.
Google tracks my location, sure I've consented to that but that doesn't explain why Android OS is downloading 250MB every month, nor does it explain the data usage of the other items in the data usage.

Besides, how much of data do you think one needs to push for tracking one's location? Shouldn't latitude and longitude suffice? Why in MBs is data being transmitted? Could it possibly include much heavier data like images (or preformatted HTML)? What would images be used for? Location tracking? How? Isn't it more plausible that these are ad data and it is transmitting more frequently than one would expect normally?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of this is happening on my phone. I've never heard about this Unified Daemon thing, and I've had several android phones. Android OS used less than half a MB last month on my current phone. If not Samsung, your phone is filled with malware.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://skp.samsungcsportal.com/integrated/popup/FaqDetailPopup3.jsp?cdsite=de&seq=943538

Samsung News and Samsung Weather are both disabled, which are the two app using UD.

And the Unified Daemon is only one of the top data hungry apps, the other two are Google Play Services and Android OS.

And half a MB last month, for your phone? Do you even use data?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For notageek and pjp:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/android-phones-for-dummies.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Sailfish is aiming for Nexus 7. There are going to be Tizen phones out starting next month.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No you haven't because you have nothing to compare it to
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
The 'Unified Daemon (EUR)' is a system process in Galaxy S4.
I don't have third party apps other than Yahoo weather and stocks and each of them show up separately in data usage.
Google tracks my location, sure I've consented to that but that doesn't explain why Android OS is downloading 250MB every month, nor does it explain the data usage of the other items in the data usage.

Besides, how much of data do you think one needs to push for tracking one's location? Shouldn't latitude and longitude suffice? Why in MBs is data being transmitted? Could it possibly include much heavier data like images (or preformatted HTML)? What would images be used for? Location tracking? How? Isn't it more plausible that these are ad data and it is transmitting more frequently than one would expect normally?

Why does all that data have to be for tracking your location?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For tracking data, one would need the latitude and longitude of a person. That doesn't amount to a lot of data, yet we see a lot of data being used. So, I presume, it is incessantly sync'ing to Google with ad or some other information that is unknown.

I suspect ad because an ad would contain pictures, html etc that could be the reason for the heavy data usage. I suspect tracking data because Google provides location aware ads, e.g. I won't be getting ads for restaurant in a different city while I'm on another (or for that matter a different street).

Every data that is being used is categorized, e.g. Gmail, mail etc so it leaves me wondering what else it needs to sync to my device. It doesn't make sense when core services take up so much data. Android OS for instance.

My Android received a patch for 14MB from Samsung in Nov so how is it 250MB this month?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

* SIGH *

I'll rephrase. Why do you assume that 250 MB is for tracking and ads?
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