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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:44 am    Post subject: HELP! Totally new to everything including linux~ Reply with quote

hey!
i realli need alot of help from u guys coz i am a newbie to not only gentoo but to the linux thingy so i dun understand the jargon in the codes in the guide. i have always been using windows so u can see why i need help alot? so i do not know how to install the gentoo 1.1a ar! help plz! anyway to help me is appreciate!
thank Q! :cry: :!: :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we can try! :)
I will surely not rewrite the install guide for you, but if you point me out which parts you don't understand, I'll be happy to help you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dun they have a guide which is for a full on newbie to install the gentoo?
coz i kinda dun understand the whole thing
hehehe... :cry:
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel your pain:) However, Gentoo is currently not really tailored for "Newbie" use. Many people will probably disagree with me, but what I would do in your case is get a very simple to install distro such as Mandrake 8.2 (www.linux-mandrake.com - available for free) and spend a few months with it until you learn the basics of linux system administration and functionality. After you feel comfortable with Mandrake, you're ready to move on to Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's start from the beginning then... :)
1) English is not my native language, so, as much as you don't understand that guide, I won't understand your slang. :) So, it will be easier for me to help you if you write in plain English, ok?
2) Did you understand parts 1 and 2 of the Installation Instructions? Do you know how to burn a CD from a CD image?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... I have to say I agree with c_kuzmanic. I'm willing to help Anima anyway, though...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well mandrake arent realli free u have to become a member for there club to let u download and i dun have a credit card...so
i think i probably continue on with gentoo..

yeah i burnt the image onto the cd already
and i also understand part 1 and 2 already
though i do not understand what the things inside the requirement meant...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I'm static - you might remember me as a moderator from such forums as Mandrakeuser or the Linux Help Forum. I just wanted to clear up some stuff. Mandrake is certainly free, just hit the second link on that download/"please join the club" page (I'll post it here) called send me to the download page now. Mandrake is a great place to start, and 8.2 has a lot of really cool GUI configs and control center, etc. EASY. The install is beautiful, best I've seen. Get dsl working right away and get updates while the install goes (the whole things' engineered for ease of use, but includes everything a power user would want, except true speed, which is where gentoo comes in :))

Between the tutorial I'm almost finished writing which covers near EVERYTHING a newbie needs, from partitioning to command line and vi, to installing apps (and which forl inux are the equivalent of all the basic windows versions, like qtella for downloading files) and if you use mandrake for 2 months, you're ready enough with linux to use gentoo.

Otherwise, I don't too much about gentoo, but I do know some linux stuff - and I'm here to help too. I can translate stuff these brains say to you into newbie talk, which you will need some of ;)

If you really want to skip mandrake, good luck. I'm struggling with little things still, and I can't even imagine being in your case. I find you the bravest of the brave, my friend :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey when ya finish the writing the tutorial for newbies on linux can ya send it to me or something? coz it would be a great help to me if i have one of those! hehheh
i appreciate ur help hehehe...
but i dun have broadband i onli have a 56 k modem and i find downloading the iso of mandrake too much is there any other smaller ways to download it?
and thank for saying me the bravest of the brave
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How in God's name are you going to install Gentoo with a 56K modem???
Not just the time, but also setting up your modem to work before installing the system!?!??
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anima wrote:
i onli have a 56 k modem

Aren't you by chance using one of those Winmodems, are you?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anima wrote:
but i dun have broadband i onli have a 56 k modem and i find downloading the iso of mandrake too much is there any other smaller ways to download it?


If you don't have broadband, then gentoo might not be the best distro for you. It relies heavily on downloading things from the net.

Regarding getting an iso of mandrake, you can order one from cheapbytes.com. As the name suggests, they're cheap -- you can typically pick up a CD or three for under USD$10.

If that isn't an option for whatever reason, then check around your area for a local linux users group (LUG) If you have one, then chances are good that you can borrow/copy a CD from one of the members. They'd also be a good starting point for newbie-type questions.

I cut my teeth on Debian as my first distro, which was hard in and of itself. Gentoo is much, much harder, IMO, because it requires you to have a good understanding of how the linux "plumbing" works. As several other people have said, you may be better off going with Mandrake and/or RedHat for a few months until you get comfortable with things. (and because they don't depend heavily on broadband internet access)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:21 pm    Post subject: RedHat Reply with quote

Yeah, my vote here is for you to try RedHat. It's got a snappy graphic installer a la framebuffer, and is pretty point and shoot. Far be it from me to discourage anyone from running linux of any sort, but I've been using RedHat for years, and Gentoo has had me scratching my head more than once over the last 5 days.

I highly recommend Gentoo once your sure of yourself, but to begin with, I'd recommend RedHat.

Mandrake is pretty snappy for the new user, as is Suse (from what my friends say), but I cut my teeth on the RedHat!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But mandrake always has better custom kernel patches, newer stuff (like KDE 2.x.x & XFree86 was 4.20 vs. Red Hat's 4.10 - and they came out within a week of each other)
Other than little things, you don't see a difference between the two if you run the same desktop manager. Mandrake has great GUI control center...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

err...ok seems like there going to be a war on mandrake vs red hat heehe

anyway...
fghellar what do you mean winmodems?
oh ok i will see if me friend have mandrake then....
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the brand and model of your modem?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2002 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the brand of the modem is netcomm

the model of is InModem 56
why ya need those things?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2002 3:41 pm    Post subject: Winmodems Reply with quote

Just curious, buddy :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to check if your modem works under linux. Looks like it does! :)
You will need the Lucent Linmodem driver.

References:
Linux/Modem Compatibility Knowledge Base (NetComm section is near the end of the page)

LTModem Drivers for Linux
Lucent DSP winmodem tracking page
Lucent Winmodem Quick-Installation Guide
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well rite now i am using the Lucent Win Modem driver..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you said you were totally new to linux... :)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think perhaps Anima meant on a windows machine. I think you should do as others have suggested and take a look at Mandrake or RedHat for your fist taste of Linux, they are sure to leave you feeling that Linux isn't too hard to use, but if you continue to install gentoo then I wish you good luck :)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh i check it out on my windows os
hehehe

yeah i just need to find someone who has the program.....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey anima - where abouts are you in australia?

I'm in canberra, maybe I can help you or send you mandrake or something..

email me if you want

csmart@bigpond.net.au

btw your modem is an internal 56k V.90 modem.. not sure if it works under linux (others seem to think it will :) .. but even if it does it will most likely be a pain in the arse to configure..

better off getting a 56k external, and better still get cable if you want to use gentoo
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For mandrake - go for 8.2!

I'm using the new red hat beta now, it's good, but it is just a beta. mandrake 8.2 is way better than red hat 7.2, but if you're willing to wait a little (like a month) for this new red hat to be released it will be better than the mandrake 8.2 (see? No war! Just facts) The only thing is, the mandrake installer is *still* a lot better
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