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petrjanda
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 Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:13 am Post subject: When Kernel 2.6 FINAL is ready... |
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| Will Gentoo developers implement it into the gentoo live cd? |
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Moved from Installing Gentoo.
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Ari Rahikkala
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If it's worth it - for example, if they get hardware support or stability out of it - they will. However, it's rather unlikely that 2.6.0 will be better for the LiveCD than the latest 2.4 right away.
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| Ari Rahikkala wrote: | | If it's worth it - for example, if they get hardware support or stability out of it - they will. However, it's rather unlikely that 2.6.0 will be better for the LiveCD than the latest 2.4 right away. |
kernel 2.6 should have a much better hardware support, shouldnt it? im planning to buy Asus P4800C-E Delux mobo, which has lots and lots problems with kernel 2.4 due to the new chipset (i875), i also heard other new intel chipsets such as i865 causes problems with the 2.4 kernels. Is it true? |
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Ari Rahikkala
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Yes, but AFAICT there are also many older drivers that might have been broken during 2.5. OTOH, newer stuff might well be supported better in 2.6. Now, since the Gentoo LiveCD is more likely to be used in modern than older computers, 2.6 might well become The kernel to put on it pretty soon, but... we'll see. I'm not a developer so of course I can't really tell.
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| Athas wrote: | | A _really_ big compiled kernel is about 3mb (and that's REALLY big), so what would keep them from putting another kernel on the disc, and then let the user decide which one to boot (at the boot prompt on the LiveCD)? |
thats true, in the next gentoo version they should give us an option to choose which kernel we want to use for the instalation  |
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im still waiting for gentoo to get pcmcia 802.11b to work for the installation. Knoppix has had that covered for at least half a year, if not longer. Perhaps 2.6.0 won't help with that, since getting pcmcia-cs to cooperate with 2.6 is slightly hairier than under 2.4.
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i have an orinoco PCMCIA WLAN card that works fine. start a new thread, and i'll fix yours 
oh yea, and having 2 kernels would be a good idea. you will need to make sure to compile all of the stuff on the cd against 2.4, not 2.6 though, to avoid GLIB C errors when using 2.4 (i believe? correct me if i'm wrong)
i have a feeling that it won't be long until 2.4 is ditched for the 2.6.0 release, though; the even numbers are supposed to be stable, and i trust linus (and hope most of you do  ) |
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| petrjanda wrote: | | Athas wrote: | | A _really_ big compiled kernel is about 3mb (and that's REALLY big), so what would keep them from putting another kernel on the disc, and then let the user decide which one to boot (at the boot prompt on the LiveCD)? |
thats true, in the next gentoo version they should give us an option to choose which kernel we want to use for the instalation |
They do let us choose which kernel we want to install. I don't really see how it makes a difference which kernel we use fo the actual install process though, since generic (ie. vesa) drivers generally don't have a problem with modern hardware. |
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| Athas wrote: | | A _really_ big compiled kernel is about 3mb (and that's REALLY big), so what would keep them from putting another kernel on the disc, and then let the user decide which one to boot (at the boot prompt on the LiveCD)? |
I almost feel ashamed for my 3.9MB now |
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Athas
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| Jeedo wrote: | | Athas wrote: | | A _really_ big compiled kernel is about 3mb (and that's REALLY big), so what would keep them from putting another kernel on the disc, and then let the user decide which one to boot (at the boot prompt on the LiveCD)? |
I almost feel ashamed for my 3.9MB now |
You really should be ashamed, my kernel, 2.4 with almost no modules and support for everything I neee for desktop/programming work is around 800k 
Damn you for neutralizing my ambigous arguments 
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| Quote: | | I don't really see how it makes a difference which kernel we use fo the actual install process though, |
2.6 has some neat new featuires or better integration. Off hand, currently I believe that to install with an encrypted root filesystem you have to do some magic and use knoppiz cds as well as gentoo ones. Or maybe just knoppix. I dunno. Either way, if you could get a 2.6 gentoo cd with the appropriate modules, it would be super neat. |
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| Naughtyus wrote: |
They do let us choose which kernel we want to install. I don't really see how it makes a difference which kernel we use fo the actual install process though, since generic (ie. vesa) drivers generally don't have a problem with modern hardware. |
The 2.6 series is supposed to have support for some SATA controllers. Unless you have this support during the installation phase, you won't be able (without some advanced trickery) to install if your single HD is a SATA disk.
OTOH, since a new kernel *may* have broken some older drivers, it's useful to have a 2.4 kernel around so that you may start out by installing 2.4 using a 2.4 to detect your hardware.
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to get nptl you need a 2.6 kern running.
to get wifi boot the smb kernel. This worked on rc4, I havent ried the final release.
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