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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regarding (1a): Interest rates are the price for money and this is important to note. Prices contain a lot of valuable information that a market economy needs to function, regarding resource availability, demand, and so on.

If interest rates are being price-fixed you run into similar situations when other goods and services are price-fixed. With a central bank / printing press though, the deception is pushed a step further because the shortages or surpluses don't actually manifest. But the prices are misleading because instead of the prices for credit (interest rates) being a result supply vs demand for credit, they are set by a central bank. The prices for housing were phony because they were driven by


you forgot to end your sentence.

basically, you have an entity that can just DECLARE that the price of something (money) isn't what it would be in the free market. In a sense what happens is that thing (money) will either be given artificial scarcity or surplus. The market will respond to this new signal, and it can lead to all sorts of problems (if something is actually scarce, but somehow the Feds can make it not seem so, you may have a problem down the road).

I think, and I am just some asshole with a keyboard so you don't need to listen to me, that this isn't always bad. The free market may say it's time for a bad bad recession. In fact, this is what the Ron Pauls were suggesting. there was going to be a long and hard period of pain while the accumulated debt wrung out of the system. Others have suggested that there can be a softer route out.

The fed and federal govt do a lot more than just set interests rates of course. They also through various bodies regulate the market and it doesn't always have to be bad. Look north of you. While in the early 2000s credit was loose in the US, it wasn't in Canada. There are much stronger controls on banking there, and banks were simply not allowed to invest in the dodgy financial instruments devised by american banks. I remember reading articles in 2003 when canadian banks were screaming bloody murder because their american counterparts were making money hand over fist but then they fell dead silent when banks in the US were going bust 4 years later and Canadian banks were healthy. You have to be impressed that the country with the most financial exposure to the US was pretty much internally unscathed by the US disaster. The economy barely dipped into recession and that was mainly because 90% of trade is with the US.

So, like anyone, I am opposed to shitty intervention into the economy.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For him, "capitalism" is a bucket into which all the world's evils go, so they can then come from there.


Absolutely not. The cause of the world's evil is not capitalism, it's religion. Capitalism is only one of the bad consequences of some evil religious dogmas like the conflict of good and evil in the West or the complementarity of yin and yang in the rest of the world. In other words: economy is just a tool, the problem is how we use it. And as long our society will continue to trust false dogmas that give superstitious qualities to every thing, mankind will just be a bad joke on its way to suicide.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The egalitarian platitudes are all well and good, but please be specific on how you think Religious dogma is affecting bad social and/or economic policy in your home country.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The egalitarian platitudes are all well and good, but please be specific on how you think Religious dogma is affecting bad social and/or economic policy in your home country.

At the exception of a few peoples living into the jungle, 99.999% of the world population is living in countries where the official religion(s) is following one of the two dogmas I am talking about. That imply all the countries of the world are concerned. And when a country is following 2 different religions with the same basic dogma, we get perpetual war like in Palestine.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The egalitarian platitudes are all well and good, but please be specific on how you think Religious dogma is affecting bad social and/or economic policy in your home country.

At the exception of a few peoples living into the jungle, 99.999% of the world population is living in countries where the official religion(s) is following one of the two dogmas I am talking about. That imply all the countries of the world are concerned. And when a country is following 2 different religions with the same basic dogma, we get perpetual war like in Palestine.

So you won't answer my question?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The egalitarian platitudes are all well and good, but please be specific on how you think Religious dogma is affecting bad social and/or economic policy in your home country.

At the exception of a few peoples living into the jungle, 99.999% of the world population is living in countries where the official religion(s) is following one of the two dogmas I am talking about. That imply all the countries of the world are concerned. And when a country is following 2 different religions with the same basic dogma, we get perpetual war like in Palestine.

So you won't answer my question?

What question? You didn't asked anything.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All religions are based on dogmas. Today, we have 3 religions which have as basic dogma the conflict of good and evil, they are Christianity, Judaism and Islam. All the other religions, at the exception of the religions of the bushmen and of the jungle men, have their basic dogma that come from Confucius, the dogma of the complementarity of yin and yang. That imply if you are not living in an extremely remote area of the bush or the jungle, the society you are living in will be influenced by one of these 2 dogmas.

These 2 dogmas made exactly the same thing: they tell us that every thing do have superstitious qualities like good, evil, yin or yang. That made possible to justify 2 superstitious hierarchies: the first one and basic one between the Gods, mankind and the rest of the creation, the second one between men, some of them being nearest the Gods than the other ones.

The first hierarchy is the moral justification of all forms of Nature destructions and of its blind exploitation, destruction and pollution. The second hierarchy is the moral justification of all kind of racisms.

But it is not enough for the religions. Their first dogma imply a separation between nature and mankind, and it also imply a separation between the spirit and the flesh. From there, the religions propagate into the societies all kind of false taboos, which transform the human beings into frustrated creatures that doesn't control their violence.

To that, you add the institutional racism due to the second hierarchy, and you get the currant madness of the world.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The egalitarian platitudes are all well and good, but please be specific on how you think Religious dogma is affecting bad social and/or economic policy in your home country.

At the exception of a few peoples living into the jungle, 99.999% of the world population is living in countries where the official religion(s) is following one of the two dogmas I am talking about. That imply all the countries of the world are concerned. And when a country is following 2 different religions with the same basic dogma, we get perpetual war like in Palestine.

So you won't answer my question?

What question? You didn't asked anything.

Please be specific on how religious dogma is affecting the social and economic policies of Switzerland.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dominique_71 wrote:
Old School wrote:
Dominique_71 wrote:
Old School wrote:
The egalitarian platitudes are all well and good, but please be specific on how you think Religious dogma is affecting bad social and/or economic policy in your home country.

At the exception of a few peoples living into the jungle, 99.999% of the world population is living in countries where the official religion(s) is following one of the two dogmas I am talking about. That imply all the countries of the world are concerned. And when a country is following 2 different religions with the same basic dogma, we get perpetual war like in Palestine.

So you won't answer my question?

What question? You didn't asked anything.

Please be specific on how religious dogma is affecting the social and economic policies of Switzerland.

On the same manner it affect the rest of the world, which I have already answered.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have done nothing more than spout left wing dogma. What specific policies in Switzerland can you point to, that are the bad result of the dogma of which you are so concerned?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are talking to a stump.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't made stump speech. Most communists are not better than most capitalists. The capitalists exploit Nature for their egoistic profit, and the communists want to exploit Nature to fulfil the egoistic needs of every body. In both cases we get a society based on exploitation. The final result is that the capitalists bring democracy with bombs and the communists bring it with gulags. :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's really hard to know how the japanese would treat ethnic minorities given they have so few of them.

While their culture has changed over the past 70 years, their treatment of other East- and South-Asians and Pacific Islanders during World War II is not a positive indicator, to put it mildly.


actually the one minority they do have is treated so badly, it is a surprise nobody is bombing that place.

That said:

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7) “The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portugese.”


best quote. Evar. Racist to the max. Insulting dark skinned ones and Portugese in one go. Awesome
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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actually the one minority they do have is treated so badly, it is a surprise nobody is bombing that place.

Sure, bombs will bring peace and democracy like in Afghanistan where the US army is assuring the security of the poppy crops and where, at the exception of a few blocks in Kabul, the rest of the country is only about chaos and desolation, or like in Libya, where they are fighting each others for the control of the oil, that when the rest of the country is only about chaos and destruction, or like in Irak where the same situation than in Libya is developping. In all these cases, at the exception of a few war lords, the situation of the population is much worst than before the bombing.

Who Would Jesus Bomb?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus would bomb every non-jew. He was an asshole.

But you are right, randomly bombing places does not make the world a better place.

We have to nuke Switzerland. The fence of the world. Without that rotten place all those blood thirsty dictators and disgusting tax refugees would be able to hide their ill gotten money. World peace would be coming right after that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The commies should do it. That's where all the wealth is that they need re-allocated. Of course, it just bits and bytes, not something intrinsically valuable like land or water, but still, there it is. Go get it!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jesus would bomb every non-jew. He was an asshole.

But you are right, randomly bombing places does not make the world a better place.

We have to nuke Switzerland. The fence of the world. Without that rotten place all those blood thirsty dictators and disgusting tax refugees would be able to hide their ill gotten money. World peace would be coming right after that.


I agree with the fact that the financial system is a major obstacle toward world peace. And it have always been, that because the weapons makers and their customers have always been among the first and the best customers of the banks.

Also, Switzerland is not the only place which is a fiscal paradise for the riches, but it is other countries England, the Salomon Island, or even the Delaware state in the US. And the biggest issue is the too big to fall banks, which exist not only in Switzerland but even in your own country. And in other countries like the US, England, and even China today. They are making money out of nothing, and don't contribute back to the general welfare at all. Most of their operations are only for the riches by the riches, and it is no frontier for them. If you close one of these banks in said, Switzerland, they will open another one somewhere else. That imply the whole financial system have to be changed. But look at our politicians, they saved the too big to fall banks, took some political measure that changed nothing for the banks but put the whole population in difficulty, and today the same banks are making again the same monopoly games in Wall-Street, in the City, and in many other places, than before the crisis.

That's not the problem of a given country, but the problem of the whole system that is worldwide corrupted, that both economically and politically.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or even the Delaware state in the US


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you for disqualifying yourself from, Who wants to have an adult conversation about politics?.
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or even the Delaware state in the US


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you for disqualifying yourself from, Who wants to have an adult conversation about politics?.

Did he say Delaware is a tax haven for the super rich? :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta love it -- a card-carrying, Che-T-shirt-wearing CPC Marxist who complains about banks being too big to fail. :lol:
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Wikipedia about Delaware wrote:
More than 50% of all U.S. publicly traded companies and 63% of the Fortune 500 are incorporated in Delaware. The state's attractiveness as a corporate haven is largely because of its business-friendly corporation law. Franchise taxes on Delaware corporations supply about one-fifth of its state revenue. Although "USA (Delaware)" ranked as the world's most opaque jurisdiction on the Tax Justice Network's 2009 Financial Secrecy Index, the same group's 2011 Index ranks the USA fifth and does not specify Delaware.


Who would've thunk it? :?
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Wikipedia about Delaware wrote:
More than 50% of all U.S. publicly traded companies and 63% of the Fortune 500 are incorporated in Delaware. The state's attractiveness as a corporate haven is largely because of its business-friendly corporation law. Franchise taxes on Delaware corporations supply about one-fifth of its state revenue. Although "USA (Delaware)" ranked as the world's most opaque jurisdiction on the Tax Justice Network's 2009 Financial Secrecy Index, the same group's 2011 Index ranks the USA fifth and does not specify Delaware.


Who would've thunk it? :?


Credit Card companies HQ there. But go try and live there and see how the taxes and fees suck you dry.
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Delaware corporation tax benefits wrote:
Delaware charges no income tax on corporations not operating within the state, so taking advantage of Delaware's other benefits does not result in an income tax cost. That said, Delaware has a particularly aggressive tax on banks that locate in the state. However, in general, the state is viewed as a positive location for corporate tax purposes because favorable laws of incorporation allow companies to minimize the corporate expenditures (achieved through legal standardization of corporate legal processes), creating a nucleus in Delaware with operating companies often in other states.


Seems they like it.

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In February 2013 the London-based Economist published an article on tax-friendly jurisdictions, commenting that Delaware stood for “Dollars and Euros Laundered And Washed At Reasonable Expense”.


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GabrielYYZ wrote:
Wikipedia about Delaware wrote:
More than 50% of all U.S. publicly traded companies and 63% of the Fortune 500 are incorporated in Delaware. The state's attractiveness as a corporate haven is largely because of its business-friendly corporation law. Franchise taxes on Delaware corporations supply about one-fifth of its state revenue. Although "USA (Delaware)" ranked as the world's most opaque jurisdiction on the Tax Justice Network's 2009 Financial Secrecy Index, the same group's 2011 Index ranks the USA fifth and does not specify Delaware.


Who would've thunk it? :?

Tax Justice Network is a bunch of left-wing extremists operating under a "Manifesto". They won't even say who they really are (it's membership is secret), so who are they to talk about transparency. Their whole mission in life is to bitch about laws that make it inconvenient for governments (most prominently, the U.S. government) to ass-rape businesses. They specifically hate the concept of competition (states and countries offering low taxes to attract businesses). Why? Because everybody knows competition is Darwinist, and Darwin is fucking evil. Because all money belongs to the commies, not the evil people who create value by actually doing or making something. Damned leeches. Fucking vampires.

Democrats have finally started to smarten up about this. New York State, for example, has been sucking businesses dry for decades, and has pretty much driven them out. As a result, they have had to raise property taxes and personal income taxes in order to bring in enough money for the government to do its leftie thing. With businesses gone and high taxes, everybody who is mobile (mostly young, educated people) are leaving. The Governor (a Democrat) just announced a program to try and bring businesses to New York by offering companies "no taxes for the first ten years". So they're screwing the businesses who stuck around even harder. Should have thought about this back when lefties were so eagerly raising corporate taxes and butt-fucking them. :lol:
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