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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: When is Wayland going to replace X11? Reply with quote

I've been waiting for this for 3 years! Wtf is happening with it?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: When is Wayland going to replace X11? Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
I've been waiting for this for 3 years! Wtf is happening with it?


it is worked upon.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: When is Wayland going to replace X11? Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
I've been waiting for this for 3 years! Wtf is happening with it?
Not much. It probably will be mostly used in mobile devices since the compositor that is being developed for Wayland called Weston is designed for that. So unless you want a phone, tablet or to integrate it into something like a Raspberry PI or your media player then I dunno if you will be serviced.

Have a look, but it's all about what might happen, and not what will. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what sombody told me, you can try Weston now, but it's not complete. (I think he was trying on a Raspberry PI though.)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From what sombody told me, you can try Weston now, but it's not complete. (I think he was trying on a Raspberry PI though.)
I tried it last week. It's limited to running as a window within X at the moment, with the sole application being a terminal emulator bundled with Weston. It's about as nice an experience as the "twm" window manager.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From what sombody told me, you can try Weston now, but it's not complete. (I think he was trying on a Raspberry PI though.)
I tried it last week. It's limited to running as a window within X at the moment, with the sole application being a terminal emulator bundled with Weston. It's about as nice an experience as the "twm" window manager.

That blows. I kind of like twm, by the way. If it weren't so ugly it would be cool.

Speaking of which, I am currently trying out spectrwm (instead of my usual dwm). It's pretty much dwm re-written and a bit more canned, but it uses a text config file instead of requiring that you configure using C. Nice little window manager.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://blogs.gentoo.org/johu/2013/06/18/gentoos-roadmap-to-wayland-in-kde/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are talking about XWayland probably soon, it will be an improvement over Xorg certainly.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ4ODg
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Red Hat's Adam Jackson has proposed a set of ten XWayland patches that be merged into the mainline X.Org Server. These changes lay the groundwork for merging the rest of the X.Org Server changes for supporting this X11 compatibility layer to Wayland.

The ten patches that were proposed for the X.Org Server today are the ABI changes necessary for supporting the modified XWayland-compatible DDX drivers and for running the X Server as a root-less window on Wayland.

The ten patches for now are sitting on the xorg-devel mailing list but will hopefully be merged (ideally with the rest of XWayland) for X.Org Server 1.15, which is to be released by the end of the calendar year but the merge window will be closing around the end of the month.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why replace X11 with something so PC-concentric? Isn't it bad enough already that we have to cope with Microsoft Windows?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why replace X11 with something so PC-concentric? Isn't it bad enough already that we have to cope with Microsoft Windows?
No because it is another step to getting rid of Windows altogether. Soon they're going to be just a phone maker with added bits of virtual studio
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is it not going to be the all-singing, all-dancing thing we were expecting?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on how much of a design by committee it ends up being & how many turtles down they need to go to provide compatibility to X (since that is key)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wayland will replace X11 when it is secure, stable, and correct, aka Debian.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why replace X11 with something so PC-concentric? Isn't it bad enough already that we have to cope with Microsoft Windows?

Because mainframes and graphical dumb terminals are so mind bogglingly niche there's literally no rational reason what so ever to design an entire graphical architecture around that paradigm. It makes far more sense now to have a local display server and hook mainframey terminal services into that as a plugin to satisfy that niche. The X Windowing System architecture was a great design for the computing users of the 80's, but we're 3 decades on from that point. Nowadays the vast majority of computing devices are small and personal, and rarely with a consistent and reliable network connection, which renders a network display server utterly pointless and needlessly incurs a wasteful overhead penalty and added latency.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen! Where the hell you been all this time? The last time I heard from you, you said you'd be on the quarterdeck. What'd you do to piss off the DI so bad?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

systemd, replacing X. Might as well go back to Windows.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
depends on how much of a design by committee it ends up being & how many turtles down they need to go to provide compatibility to X (since that is key)


With a working rootless XWayland server wayland doesn't need to provide any compatibility, wayland and X1(1/2) can coexist on the same screen. The login manager will be probably only wayland and start an XWayland session for every user. And we finally will have a reaaly working screensaver and lock. rootless Xservers works perfectly already on MacOS
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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systemd, replacing X. Might as well go back to Windows.
There's still code in X from the 80s
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Shhh. Don't tell anyone, but Unix is from the 60s.
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Shhh. Don't tell anyone, but Unix is from the 60s.
But there is no code in it from then. Updating things is good otherwise you get left behind. Linux has a great chance to move out of the hobby arena and into the living room, and not hidden behind google or another faceless entity.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, "cloud computing" bears a striking resemblance to mainframe computing in terms of logical architecture. A "terminal services" or "thin client" approach to delivering cloud services would make a lot of sense.

It's kind of like how thin ties have been out of fashion so long that they're now back in style.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what? wayland can be used over a network. Where is the problem?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what? wayland can be used over a network. Where is the problem?
So can X...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
So can X...

Only if you use the "classical X" graphics.
Which you dont.
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energyman76b wrote:
so what? wayland can be used over a network. Where is the problem?
So can X...


not... really.
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