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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have indeed previously demonstrated and asserted that your govt kills a helluva lot more americans than my govt kill Britons. It isn't even close.

I don't think you have demonstrated anything. you have asserted without guns Stalin will come. That is far from demonstrated.

No peasant kills his cow while it can still be milked :)
Except for meat. ^^
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
juniper wrote:
I have indeed previously demonstrated and asserted that your govt kills a helluva lot more americans than my govt kill Britons. It isn't even close.

I don't think you have demonstrated anything. you have asserted without guns Stalin will come. That is far from demonstrated.

No peasant kills his cow while it can still be milked :)
Except for meat. ^^


Stalin, communist blah blah blah.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are welcome to it. Don't expect it to sink in though; the kind of people who need to hear that already have their fingers in their ears.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Prenj wrote:
juniper wrote:
I have indeed previously demonstrated and asserted that your govt kills a helluva lot more americans than my govt kill Britons. It isn't even close.

I don't think you have demonstrated anything. you have asserted without guns Stalin will come. That is far from demonstrated.

No peasant kills his cow while it can still be milked :)
Except for meat. ^^


Stalin, communist blah blah blah.

Yeah. Pfffft.... a billion people killed. Big deal. :roll:

And nobody mentioned communists. All forms of collectivist authoritarianism produce similar outcomes eventually. Loss of humanity.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah. Pfffft.... a billion people killed. Big deal. :roll:

And nobody mentioned communists. All forms of collectivist authoritarianism produce similar outcomes eventually. Loss of humanity.


I am more referring to the causal link between gun control and Stalin. I am, how can I say it, not entirely convinced.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no global evidence to support my claim that an armed populace is less vulnerable to authoritarian abuse. This was however, the intent of the people who embarked on the experiment known as the United States, and I for one believe they got that right and am willing to let it play out and see if it works.

Virtually ever other state in the history of man has fallen prey to the disease of collectivist authoritarianism at one time or another, this is the only one I know of that was specifically founded and architected to avoid it, and allowing the population the full right of self defense was such an important part of this that they included it the bedrock law of this nation.

When two-thirds of this nation disagree, they can amend the Constitution. In the mean time, please try not to take offense if I tell you to piss off and mind your own business, especially since your arguments attacking our rights are irrational and contrary to the scientific evidence.
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