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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Live call to prayer during Ramadan Reply with quote

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Channel 4 has said it will broadcast the Muslim call to prayer live every morning during Ramadan as a deliberate act of “provocation”
aimed at viewers who associate Islam with terrorism and extremism.


Well it has succeeded in the provocation bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

given that my daughter has to go to christian assembly at a state non religious school, I say if the shoe fits...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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given that my daughter has to go to christian assembly at a state non religious school, I say if the shoe fits...


Slight difference is that your daughter's school assembly ain't televised.

Edit - it is also possible to request abstention you know, religious & I believe ethical grounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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given that my daughter has to go to christian assembly at a state non religious school, I say if the shoe fits...


Slight difference is that your daughter's school assembly ain't televised.


and the other difference is that she feels compelled to attend a state sponsored religious activity.

On the other hand, you aren't forced to watch channel 4. if you don't like it, don't watch it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and the other difference is that she feels compelled to attend a state sponsored religious activity.


You are not compelled - see above edit.

Besides, if there's a long running series that I like to watch, the minority are now dictating to the majority again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and the other difference is that she feels compelled to attend a state sponsored religious activity.


You are not compelled - see above edit.


So, my child has to feel left out because the school, a state non religious school, wants to push a christian assembly on all kids? That makes sense.

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Besides, if there's a long running series that I like to watch, the minority are now dictating to the majority again.


Whose dictating what? No one. and you draw a parallel opt out programs at school with a voluntary activity at home? your up is down and your down is up. All backwards.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, my child has to feel left out because the school, a state non religious school, wants to push a christian assembly on all kids? That makes sense.


You just stated that she felt compelled to attend a Christian assembly - now you're saying that
removing her from the very same assembly will cause her to feel left out ?

They can't push anything on anyone - assembly wise.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, my child has to feel left out because the school, a state non religious school, wants to push a christian assembly on all kids? That makes sense.


You just stated that she felt compelled to attend a Christian assembly - now you're saying that
removing her from the very same assembly will cause her to feel left out ?

They can't push anything on anyone - assembly wise.


What I said is not contradictory. As a function that the school is sponsoring and that most students attend, she feels compelled to attend. Yes, we have the choice, but it isn't much of a choice. I am sure I would here screams of bloody murder if there was a regular school sponsored muslim prayer.

turning off channel 4 is pretty easy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I said is not contradictory. As a function that the school is sponsoring and that most students attend, she feels compelled to attend.


Feels now and most students attend, hey ?

You still have the choice - channel 4 are mass broadcasting. No comparision whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I said is not contradictory. As a function that the school is sponsoring and that most students attend, she feels compelled to attend.


Feels now and most students attend, hey ?


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No comparision whatsoever.
Definite agreement there.

I can't believe that you are saying with a straight face that having a mass prayer event at school doesn't somehow compel a child to attend. And channel 4 is mandatory viewing. I guess i am breaking the law daily.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't believe that you are saying with a straight face that having a mass prayer event at school doesn't somehow compel a child to attend.


Yep, the power of Christ does not compel you (in this case at least)

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And channel 4 is mandatory viewing.


It's a mainstream media outlet
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can't believe that you are saying with a straight face that having a mass prayer event at school doesn't somehow compel a child to attend.


Yep, the power of Christ does not compel you (in this case at least)

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And channel 4 is mandatory viewing.


It's a mainstream media outlet


Didn't claim she was forced, but compelled by convention.

Another point of agreement! Channel 4 is indeed a mainstream media outlet.

David Cameron is the prime minister of the UK.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another point of agreement! Channel 4 is indeed a mainstream media outlet.


Good - we're getting there, now do you see the difference between Channel 4 and a school assembly ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another point of agreement! Channel 4 is indeed a mainstream media outlet.


Good - we're getting there, now do you see the difference between Channel 4 and a school assembly ?


yup. one is for children and is the state's non religious offering. the other is a tv channel.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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given that my daughter has to go to christian assembly at a state non religious school, I say if the shoe fits...


You're also in England, not Saudi Arabia.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yup. one is for children and is the state's non religious offering. the other is a tv channel.


Good. Good.

Now in an assembly - the children might be a bit bored, hacked off at the religious overtones - trying to eye up
the rather nice gal two rows down (she was nice. Never got a date - memories. I digress however) or not there
because their parents objected. We had one - Jewish (IIRC), not a biggie.

Now, in contrast, what message do you think broadcasting an Islamic call to prayer on a TV channel is going to send
the fundamentalist nut-jobs ? Especially in light of the recent ROP activities ?

I don't know - is there a chance of 'Keep doing it boys,it's working, Islam is spreading ?'
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yup. one is for children and is the state's non religious offering. the other is a tv channel.


Good. Good.

Now in an assembly - the children might be a bit bored, hacked off at the religious overtones - trying to eye up
the rather nice gal two rows down (she was nice. Never got a date - memories. I digress however) or not there
because their parents objected. We had one - Jewish (IIRC), not a biggie.


this isn't 1960. shouldn't have to pull my kid out of a religious assembly at state school.

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Now, in contrast, what message do you think broadcasting an Islamic call to prayer on a TV channel is going to send
the fundamentalist nut-jobs ? Especially in light of the recent ROP activities ?

I don't know - is there a chance of 'Keep doing it boys,it's working, Islam is spreading ?'


Don't watch it. if channel 4 is spreading shitty news, they will fall. what do you propose, state news control?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, my child has to feel left out because the school, a state non religious school, wants to push a christian assembly on all kids? That makes sense.
I agree with you that it seems inappropriate. However, I can think of no better time or example to discourage herd mentality and promote individual responsibility and critical thinking. If she learns to "go with the crowd" now, when else might she do so when it is socially more difficult? I don't know her age, but I'm thinking of social peer pressure, etc. And later, as an adult, when she hasn't learned to truly think for herself.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf is a christian assembly...
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well a jewish assembly is a holocaust, a christian? gladiator pit?
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Inquisition?
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an inquisition of christians works.
Holocaust of jews.

What about muslims? a gangbang of muslims? a stoning?
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