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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 12:43 pm    Post subject: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

I am looking for a book / html pages / whatever support...

Telling in the fewest possible (English) words everything one needs to know in order to be able to ground basic comments about / understandings of whatever news article (political / economical / social / cultural content).
English / approximative English speaking countries only.

Of course Wikipaedia, reading all OTW posts are not valid options...

(It's not for my personal use)

What would you recommend ?
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the magna carta
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
Read the magna carta

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aCOSwt wrote:
Telling in the fewest possible (English) words

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ain't going to get it in some 1liner so accept some work
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you holiday near Naib you might actually get more mileage out of Farsi or Pakistani.

Other than that, there is an app for it probably. Or google. I googled and this sprang up: http://www.speakenglish.co.uk/phrases/

Seems something like that is what you need. And a spoon.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
If you holiday near Naib you might actually get more mileage out of Farsi or Pakistani.

:lol:
I... already spent some times in the Midlands... Leicester to be more exact.
It was in the times of the amazing Underwood brothers.
But that's definitely not the region I would recommend, neither for holidays, nor for... the English accent...
sikpuppy wrote:
I googled and this sprang up: http://www.speakenglish.co.uk/phrases/ Seems something like that is what you need. And a spoon.

Not exactly. I do not look for idioms / phrases.
I am more looking for something providing an overall context. The frame of reference in which events occur. All the implicit that journalists do not write because they infer that all the readers know it well because it consists in traditions, constitutions, climate, way of life...

It's all this "context" that I would like to see efficiently summarized.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

aCOSwt wrote:
Telling in the fewest possible (English) words everything one needs to know in order to be able to ground basic comments about / understandings of whatever news article (political / economical / social / cultural content).
English / approximative English speaking countries only.
What? You're trying to get a few pages summarizing the entirety of English speaking cultures?

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I am more looking for something providing an overall context. The frame of reference in which events occur. All the implicit that journalists do not write because they infer that all the readers know it well because it consists in traditions, constitutions, climate, way of life...

It's all this "context" that I would like to see efficiently summarized.
There is no such summary, it is called being a US, UK, Canadian non-noob.

Your best bet is going to be reading the articles and looking for clarification of what you don't understand.

While working with a translator once, I inquired about language fluency. It was an interesting conversation, because I had never though what it truly meant. Even if you know a language well, you may not be able to have a technical conversation with someone (auto mechanics, IT, medical, etc.). There are also the components you (I think) are looking for which you can never learn completely. Only a native will know them. This can even be true within the same country. I am not from the Southern US, and our South has a very unique culture. It is unlikely I could completely understand all of it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a language PhD, not something that belongs on a forum.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the United States, you'd need a summary of each state. Texas and California are two completely different worlds. For that matter, the top 1/3 of California is completely different from the rest of that state.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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What? You're trying to get a few pages summarizing the entirety of English speaking cultures?

Exactly!
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There is no such summary, it is called being a US, UK, Canadian non-noob.

I realize the problem. That is why... I was asking for help.
But I cannot imagine nothing exists, at least aiming at.

When I was a child, I just loved the collections of Giles cartoons that friends of my parents were offering us regularly. I just loved them but, of course, could not understand the humour in many of them.
These friends had found some "vademecum" they had given me which revealed itself terribly efficient for my understanding. I just cannot remember the title.
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Your best bet is going to be reading the articles and looking for clarification of what you don't understand.

That's the way I followed when I... installed my Gentoo! :D
It just cannot fit for "best bet"!
Simply because when in the situation of reading the articles, there are just no mean to look for clarification! (Its an exam)
pjp wrote:
While working with a translator once, I inquired about language fluency. It was an interesting conversation, because I had never though what it truly meant. Even if you know a language well, you may not be able to have a technical conversation with someone (auto mechanics, IT, medical, etc.).

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I realized that in the past too. Surprising indeed but... so true.
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There are also the components you (I think) are looking for which you can never learn completely. Only a native will know them. This can even be true within the same country. I am not from the Southern US, and our South has a very unique culture. It is unlikely I could completely understand all of it.

That is why I am only looking for some "basic" understanding.
Let's say just to know that there are "red-necks" and "yankees" + a dozen of words telling what these words represented and what they represent.
Then I trust in the reader to, by himself, elaborate whatever about the potential implications of the usage of these words.

Let's take a precise example.
The current debate in the US about firearms.
I think I personally cannot understand anything because I just cannot imagine the why of such a debate. Why is this debatable ? Why is the topic so... "touchy" ?

I recently read a very short phrase somewhere that gave me the key : (no judgement here! Neither positive nor negative! bland ! Shortcut of an info!) :
The americans forged their country with their guns!
Period!
That's enough. 8 words. No judgment ! No further analysis ! OK, Now I can understand why their is a strong debate about firearms.

I do want a collection of 8 words like this about any possible topic.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
For the United States, you'd need a summary of each state. Texas and California are two completely different worlds. For that matter, the top 1/3 of California is completely different from the rest of that state.

Fair enough! If you say so, I trust you but then, If this complete difference does impact in everyday life / events, I must certainly be able to find it summarized in a couple of words.

I would take the example of the thread you posted "so embarrassing" with the picture of a marine holding an umbrella.
OK, I won't catch it (and initially did not) because I do not know the marines get a specific article regulating the usage of umbrellas.

OK, but I know that :

The marines is a very particular part of the US army. Period!
=> I get the starting point ! If you find this can be embarrassing then it is probably because the guy is infringing some strong commitment.
All I am looking for is starting points. Reasoning will follow, if necessary. All I need is basis for argumentation. (No need for the argumentation to be accurate. Only to be grounded)
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aCOSwt wrote:
The marines is a very particular part of the US army. Period!

Oh... My... God....

* Has epileptic seizure. *

EDIT: The "United States Marine Corps" and "United States Navy" are both branches. They fall under the "Department of the Navy." There are other departments, as well, but the "Department of the Army" is separate from the Navy's department.

EDIT AGAIN: All of these "Navy" and "Army" typed departments fall under the larger "Department of Defense." I suspect this is what you meant by "U.S. Army."
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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The americans forged their country with their guns!
Period!
That's enough. 8 words. No judgment ! No further analysis ! OK, Now I can understand why their is a strong debate about firearms.

I do want a collection of 8 words like this about any possible topic.
Oh, that's all you want. I thought you were looking for accuracy ;)
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would take the example of the thread you posted "so embarrassing" with the picture of a marine holding an umbrella.
OK, I won't catch it (and initially did not) because I do not know the marines get a specific article regulating the usage of umbrellas.
See. I thought it had to do with Obama, not specifically the umbrella.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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Telling in the fewest possible (English) words everything one needs to know in order to be able to ground basic ..


Don't have to know anything here (UK), just turn up and everything will adapt to you.

Bonus points (and additional benefits) are awarded if you happen to be an African warlord, if
you're not, just pretend.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
aCOSwt wrote:
Telling in the fewest possible (English) words everything one needs to know in order to be able to ground basic ..


Don't have to know anything here (UK), just turn up and everything will adapt to you.

Bonus points (and additional benefits) are awarded if you happen to be an African warlord, if
you're not, just pretend.


but I have read that you have be a muslim to be allowed to force white girls into prostitution and keep them as personal slaves.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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but I have read that you have be a muslim to be allowed to force white girls into prostitution and keep them as personal slaves.


Well, yes, if you play the Islam card additional points are granted. It's a modular thing you know.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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energyman76b wrote:
but I have read that you have be a muslim to be allowed to force white girls into prostitution and keep them as personal slaves.


Well, yes, if you play the Islam card additional points are granted. It's a modular thing you know.


that makes sense
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
aCOSwt wrote:
The marines is a very particular part of the US army. Period!

* Has epileptic seizure. *

:D Sorry for this ws.

I perfectly admit that the knowledge I am looking for will definitely horrify the specialist. As any short-cut / grosso-modo would.
I appreciate that many around would choke if I said that I get a Unix-like box when in the reality I get sys-kernel/ck-sources-3.4.43 compiled with gcc-4.6.3 operating an Intel coreII duo...
wswartzendruber wrote:
EDIT AGAIN: All of these "Navy" and "Army" typed departments fall under the larger "Department of Defense." I suspect this is what you meant by "U.S. Army."

What I actually meant by "U.S. Army" ? Well... hmmm... The 4/5th of the pentagon ? OK... lets be honest : All the guys ruled by the big shots you stuffed the building you name pentagon with!
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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Oh, that's all you want. I thought you were looking for accuracy ;)

Yes! I want a collection of grosso-modo! Quickly said!
I don't care about accuracy. Anyway, I do not believe anything related to social / economy / politics to carry any kind of potential in accuracy.
I want big trends. Things that do impact. Large scales.
Not thousands of cascaded drawers.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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Don't have to know anything here (UK), just turn up and everything will adapt to you.

Never personally experimented that. The Wasps were not particularly volunteering to adapt...
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The US / UK / Canada for the n00b Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
Don't have to know anything here (UK), just turn up and everything will adapt to you.

Never personally experimented that. The Wasps were not particularly volunteering to adapt...


That's probably because you were too accommodating
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you holiday near Naib you might actually get more mileage out of Farsi or Pakistani.
lol. I didn't think Austrians were anything like Americans.
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sikpuppy wrote:
If you holiday near Naib you might actually get more mileage out of Farsi or Pakistani.
lol. I didn't think Austrians were anything like Americans.

Who's Austrian?
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if you read popular American comic strips? Some examples below.

Try Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Waterson. I know you have Calvin as your avatar.

or The Far Side by Gary Larson - he is particularly loved by our scientific community.

Dilbert is an excellent parody of American business culture.

Rose is Rose is humorous take on the way that American conservatives approach love and family, from a relatively conservative perspective.


I would bet that if you were able to understand the sensibilities of our humor, that would go a long way towards answering your question. Also each strip is short, light and fun so it might make your enormous task more bearable.
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