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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: shooting in new orleans. a dozen hurt. Reply with quote

the problem is that there weren't enough guns.

an article here

i guess paraders should all be armed. that will do it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Google'ing seems to indicate that New Orleans bans citizens from openly carrying weapons. They also don't seem to be a right-to-carry state. If you are unable to understand what this means, I will tell you:

99% of the people in that crowd were fucking helpless.

If you want to find out what happens when you try this in a neighborhood with people who are armed, you can always make an attempt at my place. Nevermind all the "Marine Corps" and "Veteran" flags flying outside people's houses.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the US should bring back conscription. That way everyone can fly armed forces flags to deter crime.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe the US should bring back conscription. That way everyone can fly armed forces flags to deter crime.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: shooting in new orleans. a dozen hurt. Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
the problem is that there weren't enough guns.


Talking about guns, this happened and it's fairly close by too.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a shooting in New Orleans, and juniper blames the guns. :?

Ever spent any time in New Orleans, juniper?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's a shooting in New Orleans, and juniper blames the guns. :?

Ever spent any time in New Orleans, juniper?


Indeed.

This is the same town where they confiscated guns from legal citizens during the Katrina aftermath. So gun confiscation is the obvious root cause of this slaughter, as nobody was armed to stop the assailants.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely.

Having guns or no guns have no bearing on these shootings. At-all.

juniper has never served in the military and obviously knows nothing about firearms. In-fact, this thread is an absolute fail.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely.

Having guns or no guns have no bearing on these shootings. At-all.

juniper has never served in the military and obviously knows nothing about firearms. In-fact, this thread is an absolute fail.


You don't understand. New Orleans is an absolute cesspool of criminals. It's been that way for... well, ever. It was French colony after all, and to this day is controlled by democrats (like DC & Chicago... also cesspools of criminal scumbags).
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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notageek wrote:
Absolutely.

Having guns or no guns have no bearing on these shootings. At-all.

juniper has never served in the military and obviously knows nothing about firearms. In-fact, this thread is an absolute fail.


You don't understand. New Orleans is an absolute cesspool of criminals. It's been that way for... well, ever. It was French colony after all, and to this day is controlled by democrats (like DC & Chicago... also cesspools of criminal scumbags).


N.O. is a bit of cesspool for criminals. But so is Detroit, Buffalo, Baltimore, Atlanta, New York, New Jersey, LA (I am including all those cities with at least 5 times the homicide rate as the cesspool London).

Of Canada, US, and UK, homicides or inversely related to gun control, yet overall crime is not. I say curious.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: shooting in new orleans. a dozen hurt. Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
juniper wrote:
the problem is that there weren't enough guns.


Talking about guns, this happened and it's fairly close by too.


it happens here. Just way less.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some more digging.

Where does the war zone known as London complete with Tower Hamlets (BK is afraid to go there without the US army as an escort) rank in terms of US cities for homicide? here is a list of cities with population over 250,000 in the US. If London was on that list, where would it rank? DEAD LAST. Lincoln Nebraska with the lowest homicide rate of 1.5 is still greater than London's 1.1.

(I can't tell how many cities there are there. Possibly 50).

So, BK, if you survived the US in pretty much any city, London will be a breeze.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some Google'ing seems to indicate that New Orleans bans citizens from openly carrying weapons. They also don't seem to be a right-to-carry state. If you are unable to understand what this means, I will tell you:

99% of the people in that crowd were fucking helpless.

If you want to find out what happens when you try this in a neighborhood with people who are armed, you can always make an attempt at my place. Nevermind all the "Marine Corps" and "Veteran" flags flying outside people's houses.


Shootout. In a parade. What could go wrong?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the wrong correlation is being made. It isn't the availability of the guns that is creating the violence but the culture and mentality of the people that is committing the violence.

In American cities, if you visit an area that is always referred too as the "inner city" you will see trash, graffiti, run down homes...what have you. The governments reaction and most of the country try to say that it is that way because the people are poor. But is isn't, it's because of a culture of laziness, poor education from there own doing, having no respect for other people or their property, where cooperating with the police in any way is frowned upon and being an asshole is worn like a badge of honor. In these area's people complain of being "disrespected" but show no respect in return and use the barrel of a gun to "earn" respect.

It isn't the fault of the gun, but the people. Until we stop blaming it on the gun nothing will change. There are more legal gun owners that live outside of the cities than in, yet there is less gun violence.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spent wrote:
I think the wrong correlation is being made. It isn't the availability of the guns that is creating the violence but the culture and mentality of the people that is committing the violence.

In American cities, if you visit an area that is always referred too as the "inner city" you will see trash, graffiti, run down homes...what have you. The governments reaction and most of the country try to say that it is that way because the people are poor. But is isn't, it's because of a culture of laziness, poor education from there own doing, having no respect for other people or their property, where cooperating with the police in any way is frowned upon and being an asshole is worn like a badge of honor. In these area's people complain of being "disrespected" but show no respect in return and use the barrel of a gun to "earn" respect.

It isn't the fault of the gun, but the people. Until we stop blaming it on the gun nothing will change. There are more legal gun owners that live outside of the cities than in, yet there is less gun violence.


The nuclear bombs that wiped out two japanese cities had nothing to do with the death toll. It's the people behind the button. I mean, there are thousands of nuclear bombs in the world and nobody dies from them. Right?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Spent wrote:
I think the wrong correlation is being made. It isn't the availability of the guns that is creating the violence but the culture and mentality of the people that is committing the violence.

In American cities, if you visit an area that is always referred too as the "inner city" you will see trash, graffiti, run down homes...what have you. The governments reaction and most of the country try to say that it is that way because the people are poor. But is isn't, it's because of a culture of laziness, poor education from there own doing, having no respect for other people or their property, where cooperating with the police in any way is frowned upon and being an asshole is worn like a badge of honor. In these area's people complain of being "disrespected" but show no respect in return and use the barrel of a gun to "earn" respect.

It isn't the fault of the gun, but the people. Until we stop blaming it on the gun nothing will change. There are more legal gun owners that live outside of the cities than in, yet there is less gun violence.


The nuclear bombs that wiped out two japanese cities had nothing to do with the death toll. It's the people behind the button. I mean, there are thousands of nuclear bombs in the world and nobody dies from them. Right?


A little extreme don't you think? Deflecting nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A little extreme don't you think? Deflecting nonetheless.


In case you didn't get my point, there are 30,000 gun deaths in the US/year. I think a gun had some role in them. I am not claiming there weren't other factors, and possibly those factors are as big or even bigger, but guns did have a rather large role in the 30,000 gun deaths.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shootout. In a parade. What could go wrong?

Are you fucking retarded? Twelve people were already shot. You may not realize this, but perpetrators tend to retreat when forcefully opposed. They would either say "fuck this" and retreat, or be killed. Seeing as how armed responders wouldn't be aiming directly at innocent bystanders, you would incur a far lower casualty rate than if you let them continue shooting people.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@juniper

So, you're still harping on the anecdotal evidence, despite having it pointed out to you a dozen times that there is no statistically valid evidence of any relationship between gun control and violence or homicide, and that numerous other factors are the salient drivers. What is wrong with you?

Did you know that in New Orleans you can go through a drive-through bar on your way home and get a Hurricane (a potent 20 oz alcoholic beverage with about four shots in it) for the drive home? That corruption is so rampant that it's like a separate little third-world country within the U.S.,, and that virtually all of the local violent crime is gang- and drug-related?

No, of course not. All you see is gunz, gunz, gunz. You are brainwashed to the point of obsession, like mcgruff with his global warming zealotry, except he's at least partly right and you're not.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the question really is, are *you* retarded?

One man with a firearm kills 12. And many people armed would have been... less?

Did you hurt your head or something?
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what would have happened if half of the parade would have carried a gun?

Yes, indeed. They would be all dead.
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Is that IPv6 compliant?
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Is that IPv6 compliant?

That depends on if $IPTABLES points to /sbin/iptables or /sbin/ip6tables.
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