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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Consumer Reports: Tesla Model S "Best Car Ever" Reply with quote

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Just a day after the company reported record sales and its first-ever quarterly profit, Consumer Reports announced that the electric vehicle manufacturer’s Model S has received the highest test rating of any car in its 2013 car ratings. And just to put a cherry on top, the notoriously tough Consumer Reports writers say that the $89,650 Tesla Model S comes close to, and just may be, the best car ever.

“This car performs better than anything we’ve ever tested before,” Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports’ director of testing says. “Not just the best electric car, but the best car. It does just about everything really, really well.”

http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/09/tesla-model-s-outscores-every-other-car-in-consumer-reports-ratings/
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the car is being over-hyped, it still seems like a relative success, given that the target audience are rich people supporting a cause. I'm curious to see how long it takes electric vehicles to be an option for the average consumer.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it does everything but go far. Range of 208 miles... then a minimum of a 1 hour re-charge, given that you can find someplace that has the 440V, 90kW "supercharger".
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That car has too many pedals for the average US American driver. Proof.
Also note that consumer reports writers are cheap these days.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, it does everything but go far. Range of 208 miles... then a minimum of a 1 hour re-charge, given that you can find someplace that has the 440V, 90kW "supercharger".

You pull that in a trailer behind you.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pull a horse in a trailer behind you.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, it does everything but go far. Range of 208 miles... then a minimum of a 1 hour re-charge, given that you can find someplace that has the 440V, 90kW "supercharger".
208 miles is far enough for most day-to-day traveling. A little more will be nice for local use. My daily commute was once ~145 miles, plus another 10-30 for errands. Obviously if people are pushing the 208 mile limit, they shouldn't buy the car. For long distance, BMW has an excellent solution, allowing owners to swap for a gas car if they need the range.

The Mazda RX-8 had a ~250 mile range (granted refueling is easier, but would be annoying on long drives).
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, it does everything but go far. Range of 208 miles... then a minimum of a 1 hour re-charge, given that you can find someplace that has the 440V, 90kW "supercharger".

You pull that in a trailer behind you.

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208 miles is far enough for most day-to-day traveling. A little more will be nice for local use. My daily commute was once ~145 miles, plus another 10-30 for errands. Obviously if people are pushing the 208 mile limit, they shouldn't buy the car.

Agreed, but it this is probably the biggest thing holding back electric adoption on a wider scale. Well... that and cost. The vast majority of people drive less than 200 miles per day, but not having the option for a long haul when needed probably turns off lots of folks.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good battery technology (or the lack thereof) is holding back many things.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Methinks this guy nailed it 4 years ago:
http://blog.ted.com/2009/04/13/a_bold_plan_for/

Remove the cost and fiddle with battery and charging - mission accomplished
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
Methinks this guy nailed it 4 years ago:
http://blog.ted.com/2009/04/13/a_bold_plan_for/

Remove the cost and fiddle with battery and charging - mission accomplished

Listen to this moron from the comments:
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Can the revised electric car designs take advantage of the turbines (similar to those designed by Metaefficient) to recharge the battery? a 55 MPH or even a 20 MPH car ride generates enough air movement to at a very minimum increase the duration of the drive. There could also be two batteries just like dual hard drives on a computer. The combination of the two batteries are equal to the one (thus the size issue is more resolved) and the battery that is not being used at that time can be recharged by the air movement.

Someday this guy will invest his life savings in a perpetual motion machine scam.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can the revised electric car designs take advantage of the turbines (similar to those designed by Metaefficient) to recharge the battery? a 55 MPH or even a 20 MPH car ride generates enough air movement to at a very minimum increase the duration of the drive. There could also be two batteries just like dual hard drives on a computer. The combination of the two batteries are equal to the one (thus the size issue is more resolved) and the battery that is not being used at that time can be recharged by the air movement.

Someday this guy will invest his life savings in a perpetual motion machine scam.

:lol: :lol:
Yeah, or fry himself trying to build the zero-point reactor off blueprints he found on infowars.com :)
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In areas like the north east we have an inadequately sized power grid

Where could that be? Oregon? Washington? Stoner states :)
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The vast majority of people drive less than 200 miles per day, but not having the option for a long haul when needed probably turns off lots of folks.
I agree, but I think it is largely an issue of education and fear of change (ignoring the mostly unapproachable cost).
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right. That's why the battery trailers. I'm going to patent it now...
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's so good that it needed government subsidies?

Obviously if the technology is that good there is no need to steal food from families to support it... it will earn on its own merits.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's so good that it needed government subsidies?

Obviously if the technology is that good there is no need to steal food from families to support it... it will earn on its own merits.


Sure it will, when we run out of oil.
The idea is to make the transition in soft mode, without nuking each other over resources first. You know, evolve past the reptillian.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a highly advanced reptilian in Land of the Lost (a show that was on Saturday mornings when I was a kid). There were these primitive lizard-men called "Sleestak", but some of them (which are brown instead of green) are even more advanced than modern humans. These highly evolved ones, called "Altrusians", are both the ancestors and descendants of the primitive green Sleestak, and I think they are present as time travelers to ensure the re-emergence of their highly evolved form after the period of de-evolution. They stand up straight (not hunched over and shuffling like the Sleestak), can speak (instead of wandering around hissing all the time, don't engage in violence (whereas the Sleestak are always trying to throw nets on things and shoot them with their little crossbows), and he could manipulate the environment, right down to geological events, using a table full of these really cool colored crystals,

So don't dis the reptilians.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh fuck I give up. Go oil industry. Supply and demand. Survival of the fittest. Magic of the market economy. Bomb everyone. It is the highest form of civilization. Be grateful when its someone elses turn to bomb you instead. Rinse and repeat. And then die off cos we haven't colonized the space and there is nothing else left to eat on the planet except synthethic goo and each other. Go progress! Smokers!
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't give up. You're one of the only sane people in here. If you give up, your grandchildren will be devolved Homo erectus Muslims working in Chinese air conditioner factories!
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's so good that it needed government subsidies?
Of all the subsidies out there, this is on the bottom of the list of those with which I am concerned. But if there is a meaningful reform of subsidies, I'm all in.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at that S car go.
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Look at that S car go.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Look at that S car go.

Take my wife... ... ... please.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always wondered if that "offer" was valid retroactively.
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